bells this isnt about what you or i would do.
i have no idea what your into but i know that some of the things i am into and pb is into would look really great (sarcastic) on the front page of a newspaper.
how many people do you honestly think COULD stand up to that sort of "moral" judgement? and i dont mean moral in the sence of not having sex with 5 year olds or even not cheating on a partner. how many guys have asked for a blow job. acording to feminists this is surpost to be "degrading" to women so should we outlaw that to?
is the reverse true and cunning lingus is degrading (and acordung to some fem nuts) vilonce against men?
or is it there choice?
if she was discusted at the start why didnt she say no?
would you have kissed a guy, been discusted and then gone on to have sex with him anyway? would you not have resisted or called out or anything if it turned into something you didnt want?
i know alot of young women and though i can quite easerly imagin some of them doing this i cant imagin ANY of them not at least trying to stop it when they didnt want it to go any further.
lets flip this around and say it was a netball team. would anyone be critising the players? i doubt it
a 19 year old is an adult, most have been having sex for at least 3 years if not longer by then. they have been through the say no stuff since primary school. they arnt kids incapable of giving consent and they shouldnt be treated as such.
as i said if she did say no, AT ANY POINT (for the moron above) thats a compleatly different situation and you know i wouldnt be in anyway surporting anything but a long jail term for them.
You can't answer the question?
I'll ask it again.
Does consenting to sex with 1 or 2 men mean you have consented to sex with 6 men or more?
Let me give you another indication of just how bad it was and the simple fact that they (the men in that room) knew it was bad or what they had done to her was wrong.
CLARE: I think maybe one of the guys said she's had enough, or something along those lines, like alright guys let's wrap it up she's had enough. And so I put my clothes on and walked out as, yeah.
Now, what does that sound like to you? Doesn't sound like it was much fun for her, does it? "She's had enough"..
SARAH FERGUSON: Afterwards in the car park, Matthew Johns told Four Corners, he went up to Clare and said he was sorry about the other guys coming into the room.
If it was all so 'alright', why did he apologise to her for all those other men coming into the room? I guess he knows the training well, eh? It's how you treat them afterwards that counts.
Again Asguard, what everyone in Australia, with the exception of you and a few choice individuals, seems to understand is that the NRL is reknown for actions which result in the degradation of women.
That is what has caused the massive uproar with this case. It was her humiliation and their coldness to her as a human being. How hard can it be to sink in? They never spoke to her during the whole ordeal. They only spoke about her. S&M? She didn't consent to S&M, did she? She didn't consent to being treated like a skank or a "slurry" that they've picked up. I don't particularly care what you and your partner get up to sexually. That is not the object of this discussion and you are both equal in the relationship and both equal in your desires for whatever it is that you do. Nothing at all like what happened to Clare.
Just because there was not enough evidence to charge them, it does not make them innocent. And it does not make what they did to her right either. I guess you are the type of person who doesn't care if public personalities and sportsmen in particular humiliate and treat women like shit all the time (yes, this kind of thing goes on all the time). It would seem that Johns still doesn't seem to grasp that it is wrong. He's apparently felt guilt, but not about what was done to her as his apologies have shown quite clearly. He is only sorry because it has affected himself and his family in a negative way. He is sorry because he cheated on his wife. He is not sorry about what he did to Clare one bit.
With a stony face, Matthew Johns tells A Current Affair's Tracy Grimshaw that he has lived with the guilt of this event for some time.
He then undoes his show of remorse by insisting that the young woman concerned was a "willing participant".
The line sounds rather like that other plea of the scandalised: "I've done nothing illegal."
Those involved maintain that the sex was consensual and no charges were laid. But frankly it is bewildering to me that there can still be some confusion about the issue of consent. How can saying yes to one man be construed as saying yes to five more?
Others are rightly querying how it would be possible for a 19-year-old woman to be capable of consenting under the circumstances.
Maxine McKew
Can you understand how it would have been difficult for her to say no? Can you even grasp how the 'Code's' view about women and how this kind of scandal keeps repeating itself says something about the men in it? Maxine McKew then makes a very interesting observation. John's wife has a better idea of just why and how this is wrong:
Trish Johns got to the heart of it when she said, simply, "I wouldn't want it to be my daughter."
With her words and her expression, we finally got a bit of humanity into this tawdry saga.
Those at the centre of these scandals nearly always disassociate themselves from their victims.
They conveniently ignore the fact that their club culture degrades someone's daughter, someone's sister, someone's girlfriend.
Why wouldn't she want it to be her daughter? What about him? After all, if it wasn't illegal, he should be alright with offering his 19 year old daughter to his favourite football team for a bit of team bonding, eh?
Now can you see why this is so wrong? Why what they did to her was just so wrong? She didn't consent or remove consent. She consented to sex with two men. Just because she didn't say "no" does not mean she consented. She was not in a position to say "no" or to consent. The choice was taken from her when those other men started swarming into the room. As she admitted herself, she was in shock and she felt they exerted a power over her. When those men swarmed into that room, her ability to consent went out the window they were climbing through. She was no longer on an equal footing and the pressure on her to carry on and do what they wanted would have been immense. That is why the current laws of consent are being looked at as being wholly inadequate. Because they do not offer protection to women like Clare.
