God did not create heaven and earth.

[Lori_7]

Yea, but it's not a god.

I believe that it is all part of what is called god. You don't like that word or the idea of such a thing.

 

[Lori_7]

So you are calling the laws of nature god? Ok, then..

A part of it that is called the father and creator and judge. I think that god is more than that though.

 

[Lori_7]

I'm sorry? The laws of nature are just the laws of nature. What makes them 'higher powers' to you?

Because I am subject to them.

 

[Enmos]

I believe that it is all part of what is called god. You don't like that word or the idea of such a thing.

Why do you call it god when you know its the laws of nature. Remember the pear?

 

[Enmos]

A part of it that is called the father and creator and judge. I think that god is more than that though.

No, you said god is the laws of the universe.

 

[Enmos]

Because I am subject to them.

Wrong, you are a manifestation of them.

 

[Lori_7]

Why do you call it god when you know its the laws of nature. Remember the pear?

i call it god because from what i've observed it is omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent.

 

[Lori_7]

No, you said god is the laws of the universe.

and then some.

 

[Lori_7]

Wrong, you are a manifestation of them.

then god is the creator, yes.

and the judge, yes.

both.

 

[Enmos]

Alright Lori.

 

[Lori_7]

Alright Lori.

:cheers:

 

[Enmos]

:cheers:

We always seem to get into the exact same discussion, no matter what the topic is. Lets not anymore.

 

[Lori_7]

We always seem to get into the exact same discussion, no matter what the topic is. Lets not anymore.

are you ditching me for good?

 

[Enmos]

are you ditching me for good?

On this subject, yes. Neither of us is getting anywhere and, frankly, it's getting tiresome.

 

[Lori_7]

On this subject, yes. Neither of us is getting anywhere and, frankly, it's getting tiresome.

ok, agreed.

 

[Medicine*Woman]

Maybe. ברא is the word you're talking about, it's the second word. It's most often translated as "Create". But the breaking up the word you can have it say "רא" "see" and "ב" in. So it could be "in sight" or "with sight". Though they have identical implications in Hebrew.

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M*W: What does it mean in your understanding of "create(d) in/with sight?" I've always wanted to learn what the original Hebrew states and means, and not what christians say it means when translated through the KJV. Thanks.

 

[Medicine*Woman]

Not it doesn't.

It just kind of changes the meaning in English a little.
instead of...
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth"
it's...
"In the beginning God brought into site the heavens and the earth"

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M*W: Thanks. You answered my previous question.

 

[Medicine*Woman]

You are getting soft, MW

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M*W: I assure you it is only temporary.

 

[swarm]

i call it god because from what i've observed it is omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent.

You use those words in a manner which makes me think you don't know what they mean.

I see your god isn't benevolent.

 

[Orleander]

Apparently, the notion that God created heaven and Earth is based on a mistranslation.
The word 'bara' had always been taken to mean 'create', but now an expert on the Old Testament, Ellen van Wolde, says that it actually means 'spacial separation'.

ARTICLE: http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2009/10/god_separated_heaven_and_earth.php


Your thoughts? And what does this mean to, and for, religious people?

I think its possible she translated it wrong. :shrug: