it never once mentioned authorized, where do you see it?Marlin said:::shrug:: I said that Jacob 2 proved that authorized polygamy was okay.
WildBlueYonder said:it never once mentioned authorized, where do you see it?
you're reading into it in a desperate attempt to find your 'proof', where is it? in plain english please, not some convoluted phraseology or reading between the lines, type stuff
that’s a perfect example of “Hemming & Hawing”
stop giving away your secrets, we already know that (you're too funny, I like a girl with a good sense of humor)Marlin said:"Hello, I'm a clueless moron!"
stop giving away our secrets, shhh(just kidding, you know I love ya, my cherie amor.)
if you got to read it more than once, it ain't there, trust me, you are brainwashing yourself or self-hypnotizingSeriously, read verse 30. It may take several readings to get the point across, but it will come to you.
WildBlueYonder said:stop giving away your secrets, we already know that (you're too funny, I like a girl with a good sense of humor)
stop giving away our secrets, shhh
if you got to read it more than once, it ain't there, trust me, you are brainwashing yourself or self-hypnotizing
(Q) said:Ah, but that is not the way to go about it, you're merely replacing one problem with another. You must deal with the self-destructive tendencies by facing the issues causing those tendencies.
(Q) said:Religion will further stifle that growth, inhibiting your abilities to think.
(Q) said:What does that have to do with a single message from a god to all people?
(Q) said:How do you know things are invisibly connected? What would make you leap to that conclusion?
Trilairian said:But polygamy doesn't help increase population groth rate when male and female numbers are roughly equal as in the time of J Smith. It only increases it when female numbers outweigh male significantly. As such you still have a contradiction.
(Q) said:Marlin: They each have 10 children, resulting in 30 faithful LDS children.
That is, until they grow up and begin thinking for themselves, Once they find out the religion is a fraud, they will vanish.
Marlin: Which scenario is going to result in more LDS children?
To have children for the sake of propping up corporate numbers, so to speak, is beyond reproach. It is sickening to hear of such things. And if that's the way you truly feel about your religion, then I hope you never become a parent.
Are you insane?Marlin said:Scenario #1: Let's say that George is a faithful Latter-day Saint in the mid-1800s. Barbara, another one of the faithful, marries him, as do Ellen and Ruth, also faithful LDS. They each have 10 children, resulting in 30 faithful LDS children.
Compare that with what happens if...
Scenario #2: Bob is not a faithful LDS. He marries Barbara and they have 10 children. However, Bob doesn't raise his children to be faithful LDS. Ellen marries Fred, also not one of the faithful, resulting in 10 more non-LDS children. Finally, George marries Ruth and they have 10 faithful LDS children. In this scenario, there are only 10 faithful LDS children.
Which scenario is going to result in more LDS children?
Trilairian said:Are you insane?
Stop gushing, you’re embarrassing me, send all your little lovenotes via PM to me, no need for all these other guys to hear all our mushy-washy talkMarlin said:I think it's time the whole world knows of our love, darling. Our time has come!
Now I understand the problem, the LDS believe that if it says to do one thing, you can do the opposite under “inspired” or “authorizing” revelation, makes sense to me, wow, you can change any passage then, wow, it lays the ground work for any change, wow, that means that when the LDS leadership decides to conform to mainstream Christianity, you won’t even blink, seeing as it was “authorized”, you’re right, it makes sense to me, thanks Marlin, you’re the bestAll right, all right, once more I will try to explain this to you:
Jacob 2
God sez to the Nephites: David and Solomon had many wives and concubines, which was abominable to Me. So, you may have only one wife and no concubines.
Now correct me if I’m wrong, but was that the same logic that “corrected” polygamy once, so that it can be “corrected” again? I mean, if, let’s say, ‘inspiration’ comes again, could the LDS once again proclaim “polygamy” as essential to ‘godhood’, as in the old days, right?But if I want to, I will command my people to raise up seed unto me; OTHERWISE you shall listen to the commandment to be monogamous.
Now I admit, I didn’t pay enough attention to my English teachers, when they diagramed-out sentences, to show the structure of its grammar, but I’m about 99% convinced that the LDS church has gone out on a limb, stretching for meaning that isn’t there.The command to "raise up seed" is obviously OTHERWISE than the commandment to be monogamous; thus, it entails a condition that is not monogamous (polygamy).
Sort of, but let me help trying to un-stretch you guys a bit, since I have the feeling that J. Smith was really referring to Matthew 3:9 when he wrote this passage, like so:Does that help?
Meaning, if the BoM people didn’t obey the admonition to marry only one wife, he would curse them & raise “other seed”, just as John the Baptist said of the Jewish religious leaders and God’s ability to raise ‘other seed’ in their steadMat 3:7But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
Mat 3:8Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
Mat 3:9And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to [our] father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.