My bad.
I am using one of those little notebook computers, and my eyesight
isn't good at the best of times.
I thought you were refering to the theories you put forward.
jan.
Does Omniscience Limit Free Will?
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My bad.
I am using one of those little notebook computers, and my eyesight
isn't good at the best of times.
I thought you were refering to the theories you put forward.
jan.
I know!
Perhaps it's because you're in a male body. Men tend to think that everything must be done with the use of force, quickly, now or never, all or nothing.
Riiight. Your first thought is that I am someone who prefers to shoot herself in the foot. Duh.
That said, my comment nr. 75 stands.
I know!
Perhaps it's because you're in a male body. Men tend to think that everything must be done with the use of force, quickly, now or never, all or nothing.
Why?
jan.
It's a common idea about what it means to be male.
kx000
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Sounds like what it means to be a tyrant control freak.
It is a theory. And the Muslims have another theory. And the Catholics yet another one. And the Jews yet another one. And so on.
Not even remotely.
Your desire to see me as evil skews your perceptions.
It's part of your conditioned nature, I suppose.
Signa,
I could make the same assumption:
But my actual assumption was, you didn't attach your belief to
the statement.
It may be, but, but for me, it is fuller version of
the theory yoiu proposed.
If you're wrong (which I know you are), the question regarding
your state of mind becomes the focus.
Do you desire to be seen as evil?
Or maybe you just want to be desired?
jan.
I could make the same assumption:
But my actual assumption was, you didn't attach your belief to
the statement.
It may be, but, but for me, it is fuller version of
the theory yoiu proposed.
If you're wrong (which I know you are), the question regarding
your state of mind becomes the focus.
Do you desire to be seen as evil?
Or maybe you just want to be desired?
jan.
How so?
But we're not talking about human nature.
Still no reasoning on this...
Yes. Otherwise god would be wrong, and therefore not omniscient. I couldn't make any other choice.
Specious argument.
Will god know before I choose? I "yes" then I have no choice, if "no" then he's not omniscient.
I wish you had one.
um..when it comes to God,we are..
this is reverse thinking..IOW you are tailoring your answer to your point.
so it is not a honest answer. besides it is also a Pro-God answer, Ie God can't be wrong. as opposed to an anti-god answer like "i would do the opposite of what God wanted."
i would think you would not, just because he said you would.
So god "suffers" from having a human nature?
Nope: I gave the answer as I see it. It's fully consistent with what I've been arguing all along.
If god is omniscient (and therefore always right) I couldn't do the opposite.
the OP is about free will,which is human nature.
this statement is not false..it is exactly as i said, you answer was in line with your argument, which is not necessarily what you would actually do.
not if God is omniscient AND we have free will.
me thinks i got you on this one..doesn't prove anything though. its all good..
The OP is about omniscience precluding free will.
Huh?
I see. So you're under the impression I could choose otherwise and thus make god wrong (and therefore not omniscient). Tell me, how does that work?
dunno..im not smart enough to answer that..
keep in mind it is us who assign omniscient to God.
maybe it is a case of God knows what choices we make, means God knows all the possible choices that we could make. not about just one choice.
If you come upon a robbery, what choices would you be presented with? of those choices how many would not be considered as a result of your personality? (i would not kill another,so that choice would be eliminated from my list of choices)
God can know you will either interfere or not, how you go about those conditions are up to you.(this sounds close)
in a job setting..your boss tells you he wants X designed, since he is boss that means you have no choice but to get X designed.. you still have the freedom to design the thing any way you want as long as it meets your boss's specifications,
so maybe the omniscients is more about 'how' we choose, more than 'what' we choose.
This comes back to compatibilism:
Whatever we think about having a free choice if god truly is omniscient then we cannot have one.
But not as funny as the fact that you have nothing to contribute to them.