I don't admit any thoughtcrime, because there is no such thing. I object to living under permanent surveillance with the possibility of punishment for something as necessary and natural as lust (for instance).
Do you believe god communicates with me?
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I don't admit any thoughtcrime, because there is no such thing. I object to living under permanent surveillance with the possibility of punishment for something as necessary and natural as lust (for instance).
Just because im a jew does not mean I can deliver moral positions upon the isralites of old.
Do you actualy understand your position when you say good and evil exist?, you are saying you actualy believe in something as wacko as Good and Evil? but on the other hand God is a load of rubbish?.
Think about what you are saying here spider, seriously think about it, you are trying to say that the universe somehow evolved morality, that atoms became sentient and started judging other atoms do you see how funny this is??.
A group of atoms actualy evolved into morality and justice. You want to dismiss religion and god but you like the idea of morals and ethics so you clung onto those aspects.
How can you as an atheist even justify to another person even the concept of morality?. What if i wan't to eat you? you can't say im wrong when im just a animal who wants to eat another animal. How can you preach to anyone about any kind of morality when to you there is no true reason for good and evil to even exist it's all just opinion you are still avoiding this very fatal flaw in your own understanding and i am beginning tot hink you are aware of it and just dont want to confront this very ugly fact.
I am giving you the benefit of the doubt for now as you might be ignorant to what im explaining to you.
How can ana theist even justify morality? how can you tell me I cant eat you? survival of the fittest remember my laddo so get in my belly Nom Nom Nom
This truly is funny ^_^ Peace be with thee!
first of all you brought up the thought crime. and i'm sorry, but the punishment is inherent in the crime. everybody wants to bitch about our suffering, but not many of us like to hear about what's wrong with us specifically.
This is quite interesting.
Confronted with god, how can you be sure it's god? Given how lowly humans are compared to godly beings, could you tell god from satan?
Hypothetically, of course. I just wonder if christians always assume that the first voice they hear is god, and not some other manifestation, or of course, their own brain fooling them because they want to hear something.
Ofcourseit makes no sense to you why would it. you have to be a wacko to understand my logic Durr.
If it can't be proven why don't you get out of the religion forum Rofl. this is another thing that i find amazingly funny, Atheists int he religion forum. if you come here to debate science then get out of the religion sub forum! we actualy believe in god and come to this particular sub forum to discuss actual religion with like minded people.
You on the other hand come here to simply try and debunk religion, get out of the religion forums then buddy and wash your hands witht he subject.
You dont see me jumping in the science sections talking about religion i talk about science in the science section and I actualy have a great interest in science.
Why are you even here? shooooooo you little imp
peace
Yes.
Spectacular fail.
Get an education.
http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/bb/neuro/neuro01/web3/Solano.html
how do you know your mom's your mom? did you have a dna test done, or is she just the one who's always behaved exactly like your mom should?
and that's what i say about god. if it's not god, it might as well be because of what it does. :shrug:
Yes, and in a sense our intelligence is also evolved. Even if i cannot show someone the evolution of the human, i can show the evolution of a seed onto a plant...but the seed become the plant in a short period of time. I can film it, i can photograph it so i have to believe it. Still, there is little doubt that human knowledge has evolved and we have to also say improved...throughout the centuries.
This is actualy something i had trouble with for many years, how to tell satan apart from god. I was tricked many times and this is why god didnt let me have faith and left me wandering and searching for most of my life.
I can now tell them apart easily, like night and day, God is the one who doesnt try to force you, he is the one who observes what you do and tells you to calm down and be patient. Satan is the one who right away jumps at you saying "do this, do that" See god doesn't actualy need any of us but satan does. satan seeks people to try and prove to god that we are all a bunch of assholes basicaly.
Do you know the true story of satan?, His name is actualy Iblis and he is known as Shaytan, He was created before humans so was his race called Jinns. When God created Adaman (adam) Shaytan (Iblis) "said what is this?" and god told him that this is his new creation and it is better than the jinns. Iblis didn'tlike this new creation and he said it isnt better than him. So satan asked god to make a bet with him, He said give me time and i will show you how stupid and evil these humans are (basicaly bit not exact words) So god said ok then i will give you time and you can try to prove this to me. So god let satan test us on earth and god had faith that his new creation would in the end do the right thing. But satan thinks he can corrupt all of us because we have short lives and free will.
This is why god lets satan do evil things because it's actualy part of his bet with satan. See satan knows god personaly he isnt some evil daemon who is oppose to god, satan thinks we are Evil and he wants to show god that the jinn are better than the humans.
This is why christians dont really understand satan, satan uses religion to corrupt us aswell and god don't go back on his word this is why satan is allowed to do all this evil stuff, it's part of the test.
Peace.
It's not just that I don't like it, I think it's a wicked idea to call certain natural thoughts crimes or even self-punishing. It turns a person against their own nature and makes them self-hating.
You're right. But I can do dna tests, witnesses, and more if I had any doubts about whether my mom was actually related to me. How can you test god?
In this context could i not justify anything I want? without a divine over ruling on what is good and what is evil. If it really is subjective can i not just say "i want to eat another human" and there isnt much you can say to stop me if you really think we are all just evolved atoms who just die and fade into nothingness. how could you enforce justice from an atheistic stance?
Could I not just say well your morals are not my morals so i can dow hat i want?
peace be with you
You mean it's rude to show up your ignorance?
My apologies. I'm sorry you're ignorant.
Still waiting for you to substantiate your claim by the way.
Forgiveness is not only towards others. Forgiving ourself is just as important.
i don't believe for a second that theists would go to a science forum to speak about god with others who believe it. that just doesn't make sense.
you are not fooling me and neither have i debunked your belief in a god. i just pointed out the contradictions of the nature of the belief which had you flustered.
this is why you want me out. lol
So what if my mind evolved a different morality than your mind how can you tell me not to kill somebody else? unless your saying your evolutionary morals are "better" than mine?
Peace.