Do you believe god communicates with me?

[EmptyForceOfChi]

why are you so defensive? why do you have this need to believe that your concept of god is perfect and infallible??

did you ever consider that? don't think i don't notice that is your issue because i clearly do.

i don't have much illusions about where i find myself in this universe and i deal with it as best as possible whereas you need to believe that there was a definite creator of this system and that it is infallible and perfect.

that says more about your ego and delusions than mine.

Im being blunt why would i be defensive i can't defend god and he does not need a little human like me to defend him,

Lol projecting issues upon other people hmm i would be more cautious than to assume that about another, the one who assumes is speaking from his mind not the one he is accusing.

If you have a problem with god dont take it out on his followers, does it offend you when i tell you how powerless you really are and how your a speck who is just going to die soon and that god can basicaly do what he wants? because thats all i was saying and it's true.

Im just the same god can dow hat he likes and there is nothign i can do about it. even if i think god is being unjust what can i do about it? what can any of you do about it?


Say god is a tyrant and whatever else peopel want to call him, it's not like hitler being a tyrant is it you cant just shoot god and change anything.


peace.

 

[birch]

You are still talking from an atheists standpoint, You dont seem to understand I KNOW HE EXISTS it isnt just speculation. and im not trying to prove it to you i know i can't only god can show you 100% he exists it's out of my power im just a human.

Think of it this way, you try telling somebody the colour blue isnt real and what do you expect the non blind person to say to you?. they are not going to say "hmm you know what you might be right blue might not exist event hough i can see it does it might not"


You think like an atheist so you wont be able to understand a theist.


peace.

so you believe you know. that's your faith and i wasn't refuting that.

 

[Lori_7]

Oh I was replying to Ki. Not you. I kinda like you and your way of being religious.

You're definately not harming anyone and it seems that your heart is in the right place. I'm not one of the people that says religion is positively always harmful to man. I just find it odd that it still exists. We believe different things you and I. That doesn't mean that we have to disagree on EVERYTHING

yeah. i honestly believe that religion is on the way out, and that people actually will agree on everything, even given their differences; our uniqueness will be celebrated.

 

[spidergoat]

Do you want to know something really funny? Atheists actualy helped me find god. They made me see how petty and robotic they are, What good do i see in being an atheist none at all, and i was not born into religion so you can't give me that old brainwashing line that you give regular religious people.


How does it feel knowing that some of you atheists actualy helped me find god? thats amazing irony isn't it. ah how wonderful god is he truly does work in brilliant ways.


Peace

The good thing in being an atheist is being able to live without illusions. And without feeling like someone is watching 24 hours a day who can convict you for thoughtcrimes. We don't have to be servile to this totalitarian ghost. We don't have to fear not living up to impossible standards and not getting into heaven. We can love whom we wish regardless of gender. I could go on and on, the advantages are numerous.

 

[EmptyForceOfChi]

I doubt it.
And still I'm still waiting for an answer here.

Well answer my request and then you will get an answer unless you do that you aint getting one from me.

an atheist obsessed with god you havent changed have you


peace.

 

[Lori_7]

The good thing in being an atheist is being able to live without illusions. And without feeling like someone is watching 24 hours a day who can convict you for thoughtcrimes. We don't have to be servile to this totalitarian ghost. We don't have to fear not living up to impossible standards and not getting into heaven. We can love whom we wish regardless of gender. I could go on and on, the advantages are numerous.

shouldn't people be convicted of crimes?

 

[EmptyForceOfChi]

The good thing in being an atheist is being able to live without illusions. And without feeling like someone is watching 24 hours a day who can convict you for thoughtcrimes. We don't have to be servile to this totalitarian ghost. We don't have to fear not living up to impossible standards and not getting into heaven. We can love whom we wish regardless of gender. I could go on and on, the advantages are numerous.

In other words your free to sin in peace?, you dont tink anyone is watching so you dont believe in good or evil either,


How can an atheist even begin to debate about ethics? you guys dont even believe in good or evil as real things it's all just opinions and subjective ethical positions to you guys.

So in an atheistic world i can justify doing anything i want can't i? if not why not? i can just say well i don't think it's bad so i can do anything i like. wait this is reminding me of a famous saying does this ring a bell.

"Do as Thou wilt"

I wonder who said that?

 

[spidergoat]

shouldn't people be convicted of crimes?

Not for their thoughts no.

 

[Dywyddyr]

Well answer my request and then you will get an answer unless you do that you aint getting one from me.

You made the initial claim.
And I have answered your question.
Over to you.

an atheist obsessed with god you havent changed have you

Neither have you: you still continue to miss the point.

 

[EmptyForceOfChi]

shouldn't people be convicted of crimes?

This is the famous atheist double standard, they still want to cling to the ideals of good and evil they just havent come up with a decent argument for it yet ^_^/


Peace be with thee!

 

[Lori_7]

Not for their thoughts no.

why not? what's the terrible punishment? the truth?

 

[spidergoat]

In other words your free to sin in peace?, you dont tink anyone is watching so you dont believe in good or evil either,


How can an atheist even begin to debate about ethics? you guys dont even believe in good or evil as real things it's all just opinions and subjective ethical positions to you guys.

So in an atheistic world i can justify doing anything i want can't i? if not why not? i can just say well i don't think it's bad so i can do anything i like. wait this is reminding me of a famous saying does this ring a bell.

"Do as Thou wilt"

I wonder who said that?

I don't accept the concept of sin, but that has no bearing on whether I can recognize good or evil. I don't see how a belief in god can translate into morality, can you explain that?

 

[spidergoat]

why not? what's the terrible punishment? the truth?

According to which sect? The non-sect of Lori?

 

[EmptyForceOfChi]

I don't accept the concept of sin, but that has no bearing on whether I can recognize good or evil. I don't see how a belief in god can translate into morality, can you explain that?

Wait lets go back a little here Mr spider, how did you even get to morality when good and evil are just woo woo concepts?.

Are you telling me you actualy believe in such a thing as evil or good? are we not just animals that have somehow evolved a consciousness?. why is anything evil im just a monkey remember, so when i fling my poop at your face dont blame me im just being a monkey.


Remember there isnt actualy evil it's just subjective opinions based ont he individual. so if i shoot you int he face its not really a bad thing you just don't like it personaly. someone else might love it.


peace.

 

[Lori_7]

According to which sect? The non-sect of Lori?

no, according to the totalitarian ghost. you've already admitted the crime. are you saying that if you believed that your thoughts were known it might change what you thought? because it does.

 

[Lori_7]

Wait lets go back a little here Mr spider, how did you even get to morality when good and evil are just woo woo concepts?.

Are you telling me you actualy believe in such a thing as evil or good? are we not just animals that have somehow evolved a consciousness?. why is anything evil im just a monkey remember, so when i fling my poop at your face dont blame me im just being a monkey.


Remember there isnt actualy evil it's just subjective opinions based ont he individual. so if i shoot you int he face its not really a bad thing you just don't like it personaly. someone else might love it.


peace.

:roflmao:

 

[birch]

actually i understand the conventonal view of most theists very well.

they would fall into despair with the notion that there isn't a god that is planning a good end to all this or that there isn't one for the universe or system we live in.

they think that by admitting it may not be intentional is being defeatist. actually we all deal with and work with what we have because that is all we can do. you don't have to be defeatist just because you don't believe in a creator or the infallibility of one.

just like people all around the world in their various circumstances try to make the best of what they have just as everyone else.

Im being blunt why would i be defensive i can't defend god and he does not need a little human like me to defend him,

Lol projecting issues upon other people hmm i would be more cautious than to assume that about another, the one who assumes is speaking from his mind not the one he is accusing.

If you have a problem with god dont take it out on his followers, does it offend you when i tell you how powerless you really are and how your a speck who is just going to die soon and that god can basicaly do what he wants? because thats all i was saying and it's true.

Im just the same god can dow hat he likes and there is nothign i can do about it. even if i think god is being unjust what can i do about it? what can any of you do about it?


Say god is a tyrant and whatever else peopel want to call him, it's not like hitler being a tyrant is it you cant just shoot god and change anything.


peace.

um, it is also obvious that you have a problem with being powerless just as anyone else. this is why you find the notion of a creator so compelling.

you are also projecting. how blind..

 

[EmptyForceOfChi]

actually i understand the conventonal view of most theists very well.

they would fall into despair with the notion that there isn't a god that is planning a good end to all this or that there isn't one for the universe or system we live in.

they think that by admitting it may not be intentional is being defeatist. actually we all deal with and work with what we have because that is all we can do. you don't have to be defeatist just because you don't believe in a creator or the infallibility of one.

You are an atheist who spends time debating about fairy tales, do you have a tooth fairy scholarship too? lets debate about the tooth fairy instead all this god talk is boring me.


So whats your take on the tooth fairy? lets discuss it in as much detail.


peace.

 

[spidergoat]

Wait lets go back a little here Mr spider, how did you even get to morality when good and evil are just woo woo concepts?.

Are you telling me you actualy believe in such a thing as evil or good? are we not just animals that have somehow evolved a consciousness?. why is anything evil im just a monkey remember, so when i fling my poop at your face dont blame me im just being a monkey.


Remember there isnt actualy evil it's just subjective opinions based ont he individual. so if i shoot you int he face its not really a bad thing you just don't like it personaly. someone else might love it.


peace.

I don't consider good and evil to be religious inventions, or morality for that matter. When a monkey takes 3 bananas and leaves none for the other monkey, how does the other monkey know that is wrong? Why do monkeys tend to share their food?

Study Shows Bonobos Opt To Share Their Food

Conversely, why was it considered moral for the Israelites to commit genocide on the Amalekites?

I contend that morality is the product of evolution in a family of social primates, which we are.

 

[birch]

You are an atheist who spends time debating about fairy tales, do you have a tooth fairy scholarship too? lets debate about the tooth fairy instead all this god talk is boring me.


So whats your take on the tooth fairy? lets discuss it in as much detail.


peace.

you make no sense whatsoever. how is it i'm debating fairy tales but you aren't? hmm?

how do you come up with this in your brain of yours? creativity? lol.

what's really striking is your so defensive that others don't believe in what you do. that would make sense if they said what you believe was impossible which i haven't said it was. i know that the concept of god cannot be proven or disproven.

what is your problem with that??