Do you believe god communicates with me?

Do you believe god communicates with me?

  • yes

    Votes: 6 18.8%

  • no

    Votes: 23 71.9%

  • i don't know

    Votes: 3 9.4%

  • i don't care

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    32
wellwisher said:
Inside the brain are personality firmware, which are called the archetypes of the collective unconscious. These firmware are common to all humans and define natural human propensities; human nature. These firmware are empty at birth, but like seeds, develop into a neural structuring, using individual external and internal data to fill in the deveoping scaffolding of the firmware.

The easiest example to see is falling in love. This is very collective human, occurring independent of culture and even time in history. On the other hand, since the firmware collects realtime data for the scaffolding, falling in love also has an individual and contemporary aspect. We can spot someone in love since it is collective, but they have their unique space since the data collected is individual to them.

Falling in love, in a deeply moving sense, is not something the ego can choose. Often circumstances are needed to induce the firmware. Once induced, the firmware can become very compelling as it gathers data. It is the compelling nature of the launched firmware which is considered the premium aspect of being in love.

When someone is in love, or when this firmware is induced, one may see the world through rose colored glasses. The firmware adds a projection effect onto our conscious perception. If you are in love, the beloved may seem like the nicest person in the world. This is not objective, but a composite of conscious perception and firware projection. Other people, not under the projection spell of the firmware, can see the other person is a bad seed, for example. But the one in love, can't see this reality since the firmware is shining the love light. They need to wait for the program to terninate, then they can see fine.

The firmware of love, although the easiest to see, is not the only firmware. There are other typesof firmware which are less conscious. Instead of projecting rose colored glasses, some firmware project more in line of intuition and information. These types are called archetypes of meaning and relationship (human, object, and ideas). This compulsion and projection may be the voice in the head.

It is an acquired skill that allows access to the natural scaffolding of the firware which organizes ideas in the scaffolding of the long history of human nature. But like the archetype of love, the data input also has personal and social data components. It can be tuned for today yet reflect eternal truth (scaffold). The composite may appear like from god.
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i've read this twice now and i'm still...:huh:

so i'm just going to ask a question. isn't our nature determined by our dna and conditioning? are those the internal and external information you're referring to?
 
SciWriter said:
We can know by its self-contradiction.

I'll leave that as an exercise for you, based upon God's having been forever, before all.
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what i was told was, and i quote, "there is no time here". exercise that.
 
EmptyForceOfChi said:
So the parent should be prosecuted if her adult child commits murder?.


peace.
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most theists views about the concept of god in relation to creation are contradictory because they are trying to hold onto two contradictory beliefs. that is why they have such a hard time with reason.

if there is a creator then it's responsible for it's design. the design is inherently predatorial, basically all the things we know are against the caring of ourselves or puts us in competition with life. interestingly a lot of things that religion also grapples with which is ethics. i've used the example of the roman coliseum before. it puts us at odds with others whether we want it or not either by their actions or ours.

this is not a creator, hypothetically, that cares much about life or what we go through.

it would make much more sense to define god as the essence of life (depending on one's moral values) that is trying to survive or do the best it can under the circumstances it finds itself in this universe. that would make much more sense in regards to the moral implications and struggles we face. so how does a person who honestly acknowledges that they value their life and so do others operate in this system? we know that there will be natural disasters which are destructive which we can't prevent but we can try to not add more of that by hurting others. we can try to be caring and as fair as possible to others and hope they will do the same in return or learn to eventually.

but wanting your cake and eating it too is not going to fly in relation to the notion of an ethical creator.
 
spidergoat said:
Then aren't you just admitting that religion is worthless as a guide to morality?
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no, i'm saying that some people aren't looking for a guide to morality, and that our morality, religious and secular, is a ridiculous rendition of what any guide has said.
 
John99 said:
I guess i am a unique individual in that i try and think about thinks from a blank slate...a clean page, if you will.
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I think your "uniqueness" is that a blank slate is what you end up with. :rolleyes:
 
spidergoat said:
If you do use your brain to pick which appeal to you, then the only value of the text is as an inkblot (or dare I say cloud) in which you see what you want to see. Doesn't that support the atheist notion that our values are innate, that they predate these texts?
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I test philosophy and scriptures instead of blindly following them, I scan for contradictions and falsehood before adopting anything.

I adopt some buddhist teachings but to the atheist this is seen as ok because its not bible related so its not woowoo. I adop daoist philosophy this again is seen as fine to the atheist, I adopt jainist lifestyle and again what a surprise no objection fromt he atheist.

Now here is where we get to the fun parts, I adopt alot of bible teachings for instance "love your enemy" now suddenly im a nutjob how can i adopt such wacko things? like yeah jesus peace be upon him was just some random hippy right? why listen to him he didnt know anything right?.

Now here is where we get dangerous, I have now adopted Islamic and quranic teachings! Oh my God!! now im a terrorist and a child raping pedofile and not to mention a hard liner and communist dictator and tyrant.


As a buddhist/Daoist im fine to the atheist because im not directly giving credit to god so they dont seem to care, now when i adopt jesus's peace be upon him teachings its starting to cross the line because you know jesus promotes GOD!, now when i get to islamic teachings now im totaly just insane right, i mean arabs dont know anything about anythign they are just a bunch of ragheads right? like they are cave men that dont even understand logic and reason like the mighty western man!!!!.



Jajaja
 
John99 said:
Not at all. I have solve seemingly unsolvable riddles this way.
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Yeah right.
And not learned a damn thing about science. I sincerely doubt you have "solved seemingly unsolvable riddles". Merely come up with an answer that satisfies you in your ignorance.
 
Do you want to know something really funny? Atheists actualy helped me find god. They made me see how petty and robotic they are, What good do i see in being an atheist none at all, and i was not born into religion so you can't give me that old brainwashing line that you give regular religious people.


How does it feel knowing that some of you atheists actualy helped me find god? thats amazing irony isn't it. ah how wonderful god is he truly does work in brilliant ways.


Peace
 
birch said:
most theists views about the concept of god in relation to creation are contradictory because they are trying to hold onto two contradictory beliefs. that is why they have such a hard time with reason.

if there is a creator then it's responsible for it's design. the design is inherently predatorial, basically all the things we know are against the caring of ourselves or puts us in competition with life. interestingly a lot of things that religion also grapples with which is ethics. i've used the example of the roman coliseum before. it puts us at odds with others whether we want it or not either by their actions or ours.

this is not a creator, hypothetically, that cares much about life or what we go through.

it would make much more sense to define god as the essence of life (depending on one's moral values) that is trying to survive or do the best it can under the circumstances it finds itself in this universe. that would make much more sense in regards to the moral implications and struggles we face. so how does a person who honestly acknowledges that they value their life and so do others operate in this system? we know that there will be natural disasters which are destructive which we can't prevent but we can try to not add more of that by hurting others. we can try to be caring and as fair as possible to others and hope they will do the same in return or learn to eventually.

but wanting your cake and eating it too is not going to fly in relation to the notion of an ethical creator.
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Ok and for the sake of letting the debate flow in a nice way without bumps in the road lets go along with what you say.


Ok say god is responsible and all the stuff you whine about is true. bottom line is what are you gonna do about it? you gonna fight god? fight his followers? you gonna make threads and posts about how unfair life is for those who suffer?


Face it you cant do anything god can do whatever he wants and he dont need to justify himself he has the power and he can do what he wants. im not gonna fight him hell no thats a battle i know i cant win just deal with it life can be unfair but in the end there will be justice.

God creates a person and then punishes them for being a asshole boo hoo what a shame.


peace.
 
EmptyForceOfChi said:
Do you want to know something really funny? Atheists actualy helped me find god. They made me see how petty and robotic they are, What good do i see in being an atheist none at all, and i was not born into religion so you can't give me that old brainwashing line that you give regular religious people.


How does it feel knowing that some of you atheists actualy helped me find god? thats amazing irony isn't it. ah how wonderful god is he truly does work in brilliant ways.


Peace
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we are all ignorant about something and definitely about the larger questions, atheists and theists alike. no one knows it all.

but it's also important to take a detached view once in a while to consider other alternatives to the one you like. that goes for anyone.

hypothetically, what if you found out later that god didn't make this system which you were trying so hard to rationalize as being perfect or that god 'works in brilliant ways' (though some of it may be true).

what if it said to you that god was the voice of reason and ethics as well as the love you knew to be right but wasn't always demonstrated in life or nature?

what if this universe is just a result of an accident where life finds itself in a more precarious situation? not that you need to believe it but it's something to consider too.

it's kind of like a child whose parent died and they end up in a horrible situation and that child assuming that was the parent's design when their love and caring was the real intention for them.

Ok and for the sake of letting the debate flow in a nice way without bumps in the road lets go along with what you say.


Ok say god is responsible and all the stuff you whine about is true. bottom line is what are you gonna do about it? you gonna fight god? fight his followers? you gonna make threads and posts about how unfair life is for those who suffer?


Face it you cant do anything god can do whatever he wants and he dont need to justify himself he has the power and he can do what he wants. im not gonna fight him hell no thats a battle i know i cant win just deal with it life can be unfair but in the end there will be justice.

God creates a person and then punishes them for being a asshole boo hoo what a shame.


peace.
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why are you so defensive? why do you have this need to believe that your concept of god is perfect and infallible??

did you ever consider that? don't think i don't notice that is your issue because i clearly do. where did i say i was fighting god? and how is it wrong to notice when things are not right or question? isn't that what religion deals with all the time? yes, it does as well just as you do. you call it whining because i don't wear emphatic blinders so that you can feel good that all is well and creation is perfect. this is what bothers you. you are so conventional that the concept of a god that is not in relation to an intentional design of the universe eludes you. you are trying so desperately to rationalize that it was all intentional and perfect. that's your right to do so but not everyone is going to agree.

i don't have much illusions about where i find myself in this universe and i deal with it as best as possible whereas you need to believe that there was a definite creator of this system and that it is infallible and perfect.

that says more about your ego and delusions than mine.
 
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Dywyddyr said:
So now you're just bigoted and given to generalisations?
How lucky of you.
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Im a bigot because i actualy have a stance now and im not just a headless chicken running around looking for answers.


What would you suggest i become an atheist and joint he happy people of atheist LOL.

I couldn't make myself an atheist even if i tried, do you understand what confirmation is? try stabbing yourself in the leg then trying to tell yourself pain isnt real.

I can't even choose to be an atheist it's not a choice! even if i wanted to stop believing in god i can't do it not anymore.

peace.
 
birch said:
we are all ignorant about something and definitely about the larger questions, atheists and theists alike. no one knows it all.

but it's also important to take a detached view once in a while to consider other alternatives to the one you like. that goes for anyone.

hypothetically, what if you found out later that god didn't make this system which you were trying so hard to rationalize as being perfect or that god 'works in brilliant ways' (though some of it may be true).

what if it said to you that god was the voice of reason and ethics as well as the love you knew to be right but wasn't always demonstrated in life or nature?

what if this universe is just a result of an accident where life finds itself in a more precarious situation? not that you need to believe it but it's something to consider too.

it's kind of like a child whose parent died and they end up in a horrible situation and that child assuming that was the parent's design when their love and caring was the real intention for them.
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You are still talking from an atheists standpoint, You dont seem to understand I KNOW HE EXISTS it isnt just speculation. and im not trying to prove it to you i know i can't only god can show you 100% he exists it's out of my power im just a human.

Think of it this way, you try telling somebody the colour blue isnt real and what do you expect the non blind person to say to you?. they are not going to say "hmm you know what you might be right blue might not exist event hough i can see it does it might not"


You think like an atheist so you wont be able to understand a theist.


peace.
 
Lori_7 said:
that's an option in the poll...to not care. which no one has chosen yet, and i think that's good. i think it's good to care. :bugeye:
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Oh I was replying to Ki. Not you. I kinda like you and your way of being religious.

You're definately not harming anyone and it seems that your heart is in the right place. I'm not one of the people that says religion is positively always harmful to man. I just find it odd that it still exists. We believe different things you and I. That doesn't mean that we have to disagree on EVERYTHING :)
 
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