Deadly shooting at US university

skywalker said:
Funny how madanthon selectivey and the cornies of Birtish media mokeys tried to look like that it was Related to islamic text. LMAO- these british news papers makes me sick.
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You'll note that you're quoting exactly what I posted. You added no new information. I highlighted the portion of the quote that refered to Ismael and an Ax. I made no attempt to hide anything or imply anything beyond a wierd addendum to the story of the shooter.

Seems to me you're a bit defensive and paranoid. I can't even have a serious discussion with you guys without sending you on a name calling tirade if any evidence points in a direction you don't like.
 
madanthonywayne said:
You'll note that you're quoting exactly what I posted. You added no new information. I highlighted the portion of the quote that refered to Ismael and an Ax. I made no attempt to hide anything or imply anything beyond a wierd addendum to the story of the shooter.

Seems to me you're a bit defensive and paranoid. I can't even have a serious discussion with you guys without sending you on a name calling tirade if any evidence points in a direction you don't like.
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I am sorry, i never did any name calling towards you, I actually referred to britanian new papers. Also I only High lighted the section which you didn't on purpose or not. I leave that alone for now.

laterz
 
Ah, it looks like I was wrong about the big gun. According to the wiki article, he was armed with a couple hand guns, one of which was a .22. That's a lot of carnage for such a small pistol. Guess it works well on unarmored targets so close, and I imagine it would be easier to wield in one hand, have a faster fire rate while mainting decent accuracy, and have a larger clip size. Ammunition would also be lighter and easier to carry.
 
FreeThinkers said:
Oh, that's great, we'll just make anger illegal.
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Making guns illegal won't really change anything....I mean you'll still be able to illegal get a gun and things may be worse....

I was just pointing out the actual cause of these things is anger, society should attempt to deal with the actual cause instead of throwing the blame onto other things.....
 
It's kind of perplexing how a college student with no military training could get kill/wounded ratio so high. Those fat, good for nothing cops could at least get him nervous little bit more instead of hiding fat asses behind walls untill the guy decided to shoot himself.
 
How much military training do you need to shoot people locked into a classroom with you?
 
one_raven said:
How much military training do you need to shoot people locked into a classroom with you?
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Have you shoot to kill moving live target sometimes (especially first time)? Have you picked at least one serious fight in your life? How have you felt while fighting? Lemme guess, cool like a robot zombie with no shaky hands and heavy breathing, etc., etc., etc.
 
VitalOne said:
Making guns illegal won't really change anything....I mean you'll still be able to illegal get a gun and things may be worse....
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Sure it will make things different. You won't be able to go and buy a gun. Unless you have criminal contacts. Which most people do not have.
 
Regardless how nervous he may have been (witnesses say he was calm - as most in these situations actually are) they were still very close to him, he had plenty of ammunition and they were trapped where they were (likely many of them were panicked and huddling - not moving at all).

It just doesn't seem that strange to me.
 
There really is no logical way to say that he had any type of military training...also, dont forget, the guns he had were legal for him to buy as well as the ammunition.
 
spuriousmonkey said:
Sure it will make things different. You won't be able to go and buy a gun. Unless you have criminal contacts. Which most people do not have.
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Yeah, but someone who really wants a gun will still be able to get one through illlegal means.......Marijuana is illegal...but is it difficult to obtain? Is marijuana being illegal really doing anything?

The point I'm trying to get across is that someone intent on killing will always find ways to do so...therefore we should address what causes someone to become intent on killing (anger)...if we find a way to end that then we would've really done something....
 
VitalOne said:
Yeah, but someone who really wants a gun will still be able to get one through illlegal means
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Or just make a bomb.

What would have been better is if everyone was armed. How many shots would he have gotten off before the other students returned fire? He certainly wouldn't have been able to kill 30 people before someone took him out. And today the story would read, "Madman opens fire in classroom, now resembles swiss cheese."

"Last year, a bill was killed in the Virginia Legislature to enable those with concealed weapons permits to carry their guns at schools," Pratt said. "Not far from Virginia Tech a killer was stopped at the Appalachian School of Law when two students were able to go off campus to their vehicles and get their guns which they used to subdue the killer. Sadly, not even that awkward defense was available at Virginia Tech," he said.
http://www.upi.com/Security_Terrorism/Briefing/2007/04/17/gunfree_zones_blamed_for_tech_shootings/
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http://www.aei.org/books/bookID.605,filter.all/book_detail.asp
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~Raithere
 
VitalOne said:
Making guns illegal won't really change anything....I mean you'll still be able to illegal get a gun and things may be worse....

I was just pointing out the actual cause of these things is anger, society should attempt to deal with the actual cause instead of throwing the blame onto other things.....
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But why are Americans so angry?
 
I can't help but let my mind wander on this shooting. What if, like in Terminator 2, this guy was from the future and was sent specifically to stop the development of some system or something that would be key in destroying humanity in the future. That sounds very Matt Marrite but it does cross my mind sometimes. I'm not making light of the event, it chills me to think of my weird scenario. Could I be correct?
 
spuriousmonkey said:
Sure it will make things different. You won't be able to go and buy a gun. Unless you have criminal contacts. Which most people do not have.
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"Criminal contacts"??? Spurious, all one has to do is ask. Most "criminals" would be more than happy to sell you a gun. You don't need "criminal contacts" at all, not even in your wildest imagination.

Baron Max
 
VitalOne said:
I agree to a certain extent with this notion. But this does not really contradict what I said. The cause is anger, anger it in itself has many other causes like the ones you described. Anger is frustration, desperation, craving, etc.....
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No, it's much more than that. Here is my assessment:

This guy was certifiable, lunatic, madman, insane...call it what you want. We can second guess but what is the point? he had a serious mental defect.

He voluntarilly went to a mental hospital because he knew something was seriously wrong. So what is the answer? The answer is removal from society.

Which brings us to another problem, institutionalisation. You guys may not know but during the 60's and 70's in the U.S they did just that BUT the liberals (which i am slowly turning away from) had big problems with the way violent mental patients were treated, but there really is no other way. Compounded by the fact that when a patient dies (which is going to happen) in a mental hospital it is viewed as money in the bank and the lawyers do their thing and millions of dollars get siphoned off and the facility loses it's ability to operate.

This kid should have been in a straight jacket (if necessary), medicated etc., oh yeah, dont even get me started on the distribution of med's to people who are left to wander around while their brain chemistry get's altered.

In closing, i am at least relieved it wasnt religious terrorism. The victim's were a diverse group...indiscrimate.

Well that's about it.

Oh, one more thing. This guy had parents who did the best the could do, they were hard working and in the end nature dealt him a bad hand...bad brain? His parents must feel tortured right now. Terrible.
 
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I wonder what the rich VT studentz will learn now from this. probably only that to stay away from asians, especially south koreans. pity upon them fools.
They must change the way they handle other races, I see the same thing on my campus 2, the rich associate with the rich, jews with jews, asians with asians.
What will those kids in VT learn, I ask? Nothing. How many more deaths do they need to learn that they are wrong. This kid who killed 31 in VT, he is wrong, but so are all those in VT who let this happen, they obviously did not do anything to help him come into society.

With me at least its different, I do not need social acceptance. I have different goals.
 
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