Deadly shooting at US university

samcdkey

I think its unreasonable to think of him as "different" or "abnormal". That is a way of distancing yourself from the incident, saying that a "normal" person would not behave like this. And its not about protecting yourself by buying guns and grenades, but preventing people from being damaged to this extent by understanding why anyone would do something like this
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Bull Shit!!!


He was different, he killed 32 people for his own personnel failings, a normal person wouldn't do this, would you? all this psychobabble is for the birds, this idea of yours,
I think its unreasonable to think of him as "different" or "abnormal".
is making him out not to be the one at fault, well sorry it was him, and him alone that chose the path that he embarked on, he is the one who went down this road of personnel failure and when he realized were he was, rather than accepting that it was his own failings, and doing something constructive about it he destroyed 32 other lives, and the livers of their families, what he should have done is shoved the gun as far down his own throat as it would go and pulled the trigger, then he would have gotten the person that was truly responsibly for the failure of his life.
 
samcdkey


He was different, he killed 32 people for his own personnel failings, a normal person wouldn't do this, would you? all this psychobabble is for the birds, this idea of yours, is making him out not to be the one at fault, well sorry it was him, and him alone that chose the path that he embarked on, he is the one who weren't down this road of personnel failure and when he realized were he was, rather than accepting that it was his own failings, and doing something constructive about it he destroyed 32 other lives, and the livers of their families, what he should have done is shoved the gun as far down his own throat as it would go and pulled the trigger, then he would have gotten the person that was truly responsibly for the failure of his life.


Acting out violently is a common symptom of suppressed anger. Many people substitute it with addictions but they are no less dangerous, all it takes is one incident to bring the anger to the surface.
 
I think its unreasonable to think of him as "different" or "abnormal". That is a way of distancing yourself from the incident, saying that a "normal" person would not behave like this. And its not about protecting yourself by buying guns and grenades, but preventing people from being damaged to this extent by understanding why anyone would do something like this.

Sam, he sent out plenty of warning signs. He also had it real good at that school which was loaded with asians, arabs, indians etc.
 
samcdkey

Acting out violently is a common symptom of suppressed anger.

And it is a personnel decision to do so, and the wrong decision, there are many other things that can be done with out killing others, and taking out your own failure on the innocent, and it was him and him alone who is responsible for his actions, he made the choices, all along the way, him alone, he was the one who didn't seek help, he was the one who failed to take the help offered him, he is the one who chose to kill.
 
Sam, he sent out plenty of warning signs. He also had it real good at that school which was loaded with asians, arabs, indians etc.

Yes, I've heard on the news how weird he was. Its surprising that no one took the initiative to make sure he received some help. If he was so obviously unhinged, shouldn't there have been a support system for him?
 
samcdkey



And it is a personnel decision to do so, and the wrong decision, there are many other things that can be done with out killing others, and taking out your own failure on the innocent, and it was him and him alone who is responsible for his actions, he made the choices, all along the way, him alone, he was the one who didn't seek help, he was the one who failed to take the help offered him, he is the one who chose to kill.

This is a very strange attitude to take to a member of society, another human being.

If he was sick, he should have received help. That might have saved the victims and will be more helpful than pointing fingers at people for being unable to help themselves. I have seen this kind of attitude too much in the US, it is extremely sociopathic and helps no one.
 
samcdkey

Yes, I've heard on the news how weird he was. Its surprising that no one took the initiative to make sure he received some help. If he was so obviously unhinged, shouldn't there have been a support system for him?

He was offered help, but because of do gooders like you we in this country can no longer force these people into treatment, it violates their civil rights to do so, he was offered help and he walked away, he would rather blame some one else than himself for his own failings, and in doing so 32 lives, and countless other lives were destroyed just so he didn't have to face up to his own failure.
 
Buffalo Roam:

It seems that most people here don't get it, the guy was a loser, and your trying to understand him as a rational person, that is your mistake, the guy wasn't rational, he was irrational, and didn't care that he was, he didn't seek any help for his problems, he just took his piss off out on the nearest people that he had in his reach, you are trying to understand this as a rational act and it was any thing but rational...

He made a rational choice to start shooting people. He obviously planned this in advance. He wrote about it. He made videos.

This wasn't a spur-of-the-moment impulse.

...banning guns won't stop this from happening, placing a police officer on every corner won't stop this from happening, making schools a gun free zone won't stop this from happening, all it will do is make it safe for the walking pieces of self centered shit to kill easier, The government doesn't have to protect you, the police don't have to protect you, that is case law in ever country that I can find the information on, it is up to you to protect your self, that means start making a plan think it out, look for what your going to do if this situation happens to you, and you are required to do the thinking before hand, either plan to defend your self, and make the choice to skirt the law by being armed, or get a CCW permit, plan a escape route from every place that you frequent, but do some planning before the situation ever happens, that means you have to be aware of your situation, ,you have to know were the escape route are, and you have to make you decisions as to what your going to do as it happens.

Typically American paranoia.

First, you "other" this guy by assuming he is very different from you. But in the next breath you're advocating precisely the same kind of violence he advocated.

You have a weird kind of double-think. You divide everybody into "good people" and "bad people", and ignore the fact that people are people. Things are not black and white. Nobody is born bad. Nobody is bad all the time. People choose to commit evil acts, or not. And they make rational choices.

Easily available legal weapons of course mean that the consequences of such choices can be much more dire than they otherwise would be.

He was different, he killed 32 people for his own personnel failings, a normal person wouldn't do this, would you? all this psychobabble is for the birds, this idea of yours, is making him out not to be the one at fault, well sorry it was him, and him alone that chose the path that he embarked on, he is the one who went down this road of personnel failure...

Compare the bold statement here with your earlier statement.

You're contradicting yourself. First, you claim he was irrational, crazy, not in control of himself - probably mentally ill. But next you claim he made a rational choice to follow a certain path.

So which is it? Rational or irrational?

I think you just can't face the fact that many people in the same circumstances might have had an urge to act in a similar way. You can't simply write the guy off as a nutty individual uninfluenced by the society in which he lives, the people he interacts with and so on.

I know why you want to, of course. It's so you don't have to bear any of the blame.


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Heh.
This is hilarious.

More American disconnection and "other"ing.

Anyway.
Anyone else bored with this shit yet?
Or am I just being a jaded American?

What breeds this lack of empathy in Americans? Why is it all about you, and never about anybody else?

33 people have died. And your only reaction is that you are "bored with this shit".

What does this say about you?


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Really, you people make an interesting study. The insight into the "average" American psyche is breathtaking.
 
Yes, I've heard on the news how weird he was. Its surprising that no one took the initiative to make sure he received some help. If he was so obviously unhinged, shouldn't there have been a support system for him?

He did get help (i think twice) and many teachers and students sent out warnings, he stalked a few feamales and the cops were called. but hindsight is 20-20 and we live in a society that bends over backwards to accomodate.
 
samcdkey

This is a very strange attitude to take to a member of society, another human being.

No it isn't, It is putting the blame squarely were it belongs on Cho Seung-Hui, he was sent to counseling, and he refused the help.
 
samcdkey



He was offered help, but because of do gooders like you we in this country can no longer force these people into treatment, it violates their civil rights to do so, he was offered help and he walked away, he would rather blame some one else than himself for his own failings, and in doing so 32 lives, and countless other lives were destroyed just so he didn't have to face up to his own failure.

Helping someone does not make him less responsible for his actions. And if you see someone jump off a bridge and rescue him, that does not mean he is not suicidal, you cannot walk away thinking he is alright now.
 
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He did get help (i think twice) and many teachers and students sent out warnings, he stalked a few feamales and the cops were called. but hindsight is 20-20 and we live in a society that bends over backwards to accomodate.

You live in a society that thinks ignoring people's problems is the best way to deal with them and that asking people about their problems or telling them yours is rude and un-PC.

I think that after all the school shootings that have happened people would realise that this is an unhealthy trend in society, look at the increase in road rage incidents, the number of assaults and rapes, the number of suicides. It is stupid to ignore this as "other people's problems" when it is happening in your own society.
 
James R

He made a rational choice to start shooting people. He obviously planned this in advance. He wrote about it. He made videos.

This wasn't a spur-of-the-moment impulse.

A big pile of Bull Shit, no rational person shoot another person, let alone 32 people that present no threat to his life, only a looser shoots 32 people to assuage his own failure in life, he is the one who couldn't face his personnel failure and make the choice to seek help to change the situation, it was his decisions, in trying not to face and accept the facts in his life, and seek help out side him self that lead to this, he was so afraid to admit that he was responsible for his own failings that he placed the blame on others and the rationalized their killings to salve his own failings.
 
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You live in a society that thinks ignoring people's problems is the best way to deal with them and that asking people about their problems or telling them yours is rude and un-PC.

I think that after all the school shootings that have happened people would realise that this is an unhealthy trend in society, look at the increase in road rage incidents, the number of assaults and rapes, the number of suicides. It is stupid to ignore this as "other people's problems" when it is happening in your own society.

Sam,

You have not read or heard about all the people who tried to help this guy, and the sad part is that scientists try to rationalize what they do not understand and cannot accept or admit the fact that they dont know what the answers are.

Read about Charles Whitman, he had an actual mental defect of the frontal lobe:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Whitman

Possibly (probably- i say definately) this Cho guy had serious chemical imbalance. This guy could have been coddled all day long and at some point for whatever reason he would have exploded.

Like it or not the human brain is not very well understood and medical science is quite simplistic in this regard/
 
samcdkey

Helping someone does not make him less responsible for his actions.
And if you see someone jump off a bridge and rescue him, that does not mean he is not suicidal, you cannot walk away thinking he is alright now.


That is right he is the one responsible for his actions, and for all the help that was offered him, it was his responsibility to accept that help, and he didn't, and in this country today because of the liberal do gooders you can't force some one into treatment, and in the PC world were are not suppose to question his actions, we might set him off by doing so, well it doesn't matter if we ask or not about his problems, until we can place them into treatment with out their consent, and they can't decide for themselves to leave the treatment program they are going to live in their own little world and when they can't accept any longer, that their the ones responsible for their own failure, they will take it out on people who are innocent, It is Cho Seung-hui who is the one who made the choice, and it is him alone who has to carry the blame.
 
samcdkey




That is right he is the one responsible for his actions, and for all the help that was offered him, it was his responsibility to accept that help, and he didn't, and in this country today because of the liberal do gooders you can't force some one into treatment, and in the PC world were are not suppose to question his actions, we might set him off by doing so, well it doesn't matter if we ask or not about his problems, until we can place them into treatment with out their consent, and they can't decide for themselves to leave the treatment program they are going to live in their own little world and when they can't accept any longer, that their the ones responsible for their own failure, they will take it out on people who are innocent, It is Cho Seung-hui who is the one who made the choice, and it is him alone who has to carry the blame.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4371403.stm

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/070417/17shootings.htm?s_cid=rss:site1

There is a remarkable similarity in the more than 30 major school shooting incidents that have taken place since 1974, according to the Secret Service report.

* Nearly all the shootings were committed by boys or young men.
* In over half of the incidents, fellow students were not the only targets, as attackers targeted administrators and other adults.
* In almost all the incidents, the attacker developed the idea to harm targets before actually doing so. In many cases, this planning was done weeks before the crimes were committed.

It is also worth noting that in over three quarters of the cases, the attacker told someone in advance about his interest in attacking at school. In over half the cases, the attacker told more than one person. (One attacker told 24 people.) But in only two cases did any of these individuals warn authorities about the attacker's plans before the assault.

"Most incidents of targeted school violence were thought out and planned in advance. The attackers' behavior suggested that they were planning or preparing for an attack," the report found. "Prior to most incidents, the attackers' peers knew the attack was to occur. And most attackers were not 'invisible' but already were of concern to people in their lives." (You can read the full report here.)

"There is usually a trigger event that sets the person off on their attacks," says Randazzo. "Nearly everyone we studied is notable for their isolation. They were bullied, they were stressed, or they had recently broken up with a girlfriend. Most importantly, they didn't talk to anyone about their problems."
 
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