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Yes. Once again we get into the difference between "jobs" and "opportunity."
You were the one blurring it in the first place.
However, for opportunities for creating new companies (new technologies, new business models, new industries) there is far more venture capital available here than anywhere else in the world.
Which makes the fact that America provides less opportunity for its citizens than other places with far less venture capital very interesting. (For a while, after WWII, it looked as if America was going to take over the world by providing such opportunity to its citizens, a factor which would outweigh its supposed disadvantages in low population and accumulated deadweight infrastructure. What happened instead has fascinated many researchers).

But it doesn't matter. You asserted that the US provides more opportunity in return for greater odds of failure. That assertion was false - the US provides less opportunity for its citizens than several other First World (and some Second World) countries. (It does provide more chance of failure, partly due to its lack of a safety net for the consequences of bad luck). Your posting of job numbers merely reinforced that observation, which is common knowledge among social and economic researchers in the US and elsewhere.
Of course it is. People with jobs have more opportunities than people who don't. I am sure you realize this.
It's not true.
It's so far from being true that seeing it asserted becomes a separate issue itself.
But it does explain your attempt to demonstrate American opportunity by listing high tech employers who provide jobs of some kind to some people who might be American. That was odd of you, but now I understand what in hell you could have been thinking.
FYI: People forced to work long hours at bad jobs with no health care and insufficient wages to support significant savings - a situation more common in America than in many other places - have reduced opportunities compared with the unemployed who can afford to work at their own projects and set up better lives for themselves. People who can't afford to quit their jobs have reduced opportunity compared with the unemployed, who can at least travel and seek their fortune. And so forth.

Work does not make free. In the case of America, it doesn't even make prosperous. It sure as hell doesn't provide opportunity for most Americans - it's a burden, a cost of living, not an asset, for the large majority of US citizens.

And that delusion - that America is some kind of comparative wellspring of opportunity for its citizens, which hasn't been true even for white men since Reagan broke the unions - does seem to underlie the American tolerance of flagrant and venal and odious misgovernance that has led to the finest medical care and public health system the planet had ever seen becoming a free fire zone for a standard issue viral plague, a country in which the President holds medical supplies hostage for political favors and personal gain while frontline nurses in plague zones rig protective garments from garbage bags, a country in which basic information such as who is infected and who is not is unavailable to a public whose rate of death is being balanced against stock price trends by its elected representatives.
 
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It is that easy but that doesn't necessarily mean now is the time to do it. Patience grasshopper. Let the infection rates come down a bit first.
3 things:
  1. I do not see why we in Australia need to wait for you guys in the USA to get your act together.
  2. If you have to wait for the infection rates to go down and given USA complacency and underestimation you are going to have to drink coffee standing up and eat takeaways only for the next few years at least. lol
  3. Certainly you won't be allowed to come to Australia with out testing or quarantine or both...until you guys get real...
 
I think business as we know it will change, people will not work more than they need to, and our priorities will shift, in corporate America. I’m sure all the micro managing babysitters who bring no value at all to most companies’ bottom line, will be laid off and only essential workers will remain. Hire the right people and you can trust that they’re doing the complete job working from home.
While I don't think things will go that far (micro managing babysitters are excellent at creating reasons to retain their jobs) I think you are right in that we will see some more permanent changes from this event. There will be people who simply don't go back to work in an office - and it will work out.
 
I do not see why we in Australia need to wait for you guys in the USA to get your act together.
Because unless you shut down all air travel - the two countries are not isolated.
If you have to wait for the infection rates to go down and given USA complacency and underestimation you are going to have to drink coffee standing up and eat takeaways only for the next few years at least.
Given that the death rate is already declining - I doubt that.
Certainly you won't be allowed to come to Australia with out testing or quarantine or both...until you guys get real...
Yeah, that will last about a week. Then some important Australian will insist on coming back with his American family and that will all go right out the window.
 
It makes me near choke but I think our Australian Government has responded pretty well, but more so the people, we had no car accident deaths over Easter which must to some degree reflect the people responded as adults unlike the childish nonsense that was reported in the US of church as usual and don't tell us what to do fixation that seems to be a problem.
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3 things:
  1. I do not see why we in Australia need to wait for you guys in the USA to get your act together.
  2. If you have to wait for the infection rates to go down and given USA complacency and underestimation you are going to have to drink coffee standing up and eat takeaways only for the next few years at least. lol
  3. Certainly you won't be allowed to come to Australia with out testing or quarantine or both...until you guys get real...
As usual there is nothing but USA envy here in your post. You live in Australia. You want to go to your local coffee shop. I told you what needs to happen for that to take place.

Nothing about your situation has anything to do with what is taking place in the U.S.

Is your PM, Governor sitting around waiting for the Governor of California to make a move and give him the OK to open coffee shops in your area?

Apparently you are more envious than even a Canadian. Let it go my son for you should have your coffee and a visit with your mates soon. I promise.

Personally, I'd say that your rates are currently such that you should be able to go to a coffee shop under the conditions I mentioned. Tell you local politicians I said is OK to open your coffee shop.
 
Because unless you shut down all air travel - the two countries are not isolated.
It just show us all how far behind the ball you are...All international travel has been banned outward and inward bound. At the moment there is no air travel other than repatriation flights with strict quarantine when they land.
The Government has already indicated that international travel will not recommence in the short to medium term due to global infestation. Cruise ships will take even longer. All freight ( air or sea) is being checked for bio security risks etc...

At the moment the two nations are indeed isolated for very good reason.

If you have to wait for the infection rates to go down and given USA complacency and underestimation you are going to have to drink coffee standing up and eat takeaways only for the next few years at least. lol
Given that the death rate is already declining - I doubt that.
I thought you had medical background...entry into many nations are already prohibited by those not having certain vaccines. A COVID vaccine will only be another one. Until then no no... unless they accept a testing and quarantine regime prior to entry.
Certainly you won't be allowed to come to Australia with out testing or quarantine or both...until you guys get real...
Yeah, that will last about a week. Then some important Australian will insist on coming back with his American family and that will all go right out the window.
nah! just testing and isolation for 14 days minimum....
It's not hard to understand why this will be the case...

 
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As usual there is nothing but USA envy here in your post. You live in Australia. You want to go to your local coffee shop. I told you what needs to happen for that to take place.

Nothing about your situation has anything to do with what is taking place in the U.S.

Is your PM, Governor sitting around waiting for the Governor of California to make a move and give him the OK to open coffee shops in your area?

Apparently you are more envious than even a Canadian. Let it go my son for you should have your coffee and a visit with your mates soon. I promise.

Personally, I'd say that your rates are currently such that you should be able to go to a coffee shop under the conditions I mentioned. Tell you local politicians I said is OK to open your coffee shop.
pathetic...

Washington
10,703 CC (new +173)
523 Deaths
California
24,139 CC ( new +962)
727 Deaths

Australia
6,398 CC (new +38)
61 Deaths

Envy?
 
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What's to envy about the American Covid-19 situation, viewed from the point of view of Australia? You guys are doing it tougher than we are, over there.
I don't know, ask QQ.

He wanted to know how his local coffee shop could open up. I said do it like the grocery stores are doing it. Space people at least 6 feet apart, sanitize the place often, don't let too many people in, etc.

I said be patient and let the infection rate go down a bit first.

Common sense right?

His response was that if it was that easy, they would have done it (always a weak response to any reply).

His other response was a rant about why should "they" (Australians) having to wait until the rate comes down in the U.S.?

I told him "they" (Australians) don't. I said nothing about Australians have to wait until rates come down in the U.S.

For some reason every problem that QQ faces always has something to do with the U.S.

Understand now?
 
He wanted to know how his local coffee shop could open up. I said do it like the grocery stores are doing it. Space people at least 6 feet apart, sanitize the place often, don't let too many people in, etc.
it's a coffee shop. You know, people share tables to talk and meet and flirt and...and...
Now unless you sit one person to a table and expect them to some how .... nah forget it...

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it's a coffee shop. You know, people share tables to talk and meet and flirt and...and...
Now unless you sit one person to a table and expect them to some how .... nah forget it...

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It's up to you how many people to have at a table just as it's up to you whether you go to the grocery store alone or take several people with you.

If you want to chat with strangers it's going to depend on whether they want to chat with stranger at this time. I has nothing to go with any grand government plan.

One moment you want to live in a sanitized commune far away from civilization, then you want to live in a domed stadium and now you seem to think this virus is nothing and you just want to go to your favorite coffee shop and pub.

I think you just have too much time on your hands and can decide whether you want to panic and whether you want to just live at the pub. The U.S. can't help with that mate.
 
It's up to you how many people to have at a table just as it's up to you whether you go to the grocery store alone or take several people with you.

If you want to chat with strangers it's going to depend on whether they want to chat with a stranger at this time. It has nothing to do with any grand government plan.

One moment you want to live in a sanitized commune far away from civilization, then you want to live in a domed stadium and now you seem to think this virus is nothing and you just want to go to your favorite coffee shop and pub.

I think you just have too much time on your hands and can't decide whether you want to panic or whether you want to just live at the pub. The U.S. can't help with that mate.

Why even compare the U.S. and Australia? Texas has more people than Australia.
 
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It's up to you how many people to have at a table just as it's up to you whether you go to the grocery store alone or take several people with you.

If you want to chat with strangers it's going to depend on whether they want to chat with stranger at this time. I has nothing to go with any grand government plan.

One moment you want to live in a sanitized commune far away from civilization, then you want to live in a domed stadium and now you seem to think this virus is nothing and you just want to go to your favorite coffee shop and pub.

I think you just have too much time on your hands and can decide whether you want to panic and whether you want to just live at the pub. The U.S. can't help with that mate.
It isn't any wonder then why you are and would be banned from traveling to Australia...
 
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