big red bulls eye on the wtc in 9/11

[John99]

It makes control and ruling so much the easier for those...

for those who come up with these conspiracy theories.

 

[Trippy]

...And the Zeta Reticuli are behind it all...

 

[The Esotericist]

Not a dumbed-down game. A flight simulator, which mimics the controls and behaviour of real aircraft. I was right. You've never played one, have you?

Sorry, your personal experience on a computer game is way less valid an argument than the link I gave to a flight expert. It doesn't fly. I don't know the company, or origins, nor the realism of your game. I don't know which plane you were simulating, nor do I know at what speed your approach vector was at. Nor do I know if this game simulated wind sheer. And frankly, I don't care; your talking out your ass, and your quite possibly full of shit. "because it is my experience" and "because I said so, and I'm knowledgeable and an expert" is the most piss poor argument on the planet. I am the only one that has supported any of the points I have made in this entire thread, with knowledgeable experts outside of my own point of view. I could care less if you reject them, it's evidence, there you go. It's better than what your side of the argument has, which is bupkiss. Frankly, in a disagreement, that amounts to a whole lot more in my book than just calling each other names, which is what your side of this discussion has had to resort to. . . telling me I am unintelligent, I know nothing, I don't know my facts, etc. What a lousy way to discuss an issue

To maintain that because something isn't documented, or doesn't have visual proof, and therefor it doesn't exist? THIS is the height of ignorance. So until we make a new discovery, that new thing that is discovered, didn't exist? Give me a break.

You're not looking hard enough. There's plenty of good media out there.

I quite agree with this. My point with this is that the masses DON'T look for anything else, they are inherently lazy and believe what is spoon fed to them. Just like they believe what is on their T.V. Just as the news journalist and the news gathering organizations believe and accept everything the government tells them. . . it's a racket. It was less so before the deregulation of the media. Now, big business is cozy and in bed with the government, and the people only get to know what the government wants them to know. A critical look at what is going on? Rarely. Hard news coverage? Seldom. Accurate reporting? Never. They are now reporting that there is a recovery! Who believes this BS? Do you? The folks in the supermarket probably don't know, they could only tell you who is pregnant, who is with who, what's happening in the soaps, and the latest fad diet.

A very brief search of the internet ought to disabuse you of silly notions like the Taliban having no allies, no funding, no sources of arms etc. Don't be dumb.

Yeah, I know, that's my point. If you are into truth, and you know political science, and know what imperialism is, and what the U.S. and western Europe's strategic aims are, you generally can find out the truth. In order to stay where those forces are. .. . they need an enemy to fight, and that enemy needs weapons, food, etc. yes?

Coalition helicopter drops weapons into Taliban hands, Afghan officials say
Obama Gives A Billion To Taliban As The CIA Funds Opium Trade !!
Ex-diplomat: US supplies arms to Taliban

And from a GAO report!

We found that the U.S. Army and CSTC-A did not maintain complete
records for an estimated 87,000—or about 36 percent—of the 242,000
weapons Defense procured and shipped to Afghanistan for ANSF.
Specifically:
For about 46,000 weapons, the Army could not provide us serial numbers
to uniquely identify each weapon provided, which made it impossible for
us to determine their location or disposition.
• For about 41,000 weapons with serial numbers recorded, CSTC-A did not
have any records of their location or disposition.
5


Furthermore, CSTC-A did not maintain reliable records, including serial
numbers, for any of the 135,000 weapons it reported obtaining from
international donors from June 2002 through June 2008.

http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d09366t.pdf
um. . . yeah, I could go on and on. . . but I doubt you are going to even look into this, you want to believe the official story, it's more comfortable for you. Even though. . . it makes absolutely not one shred of sense. All the world's countries against a rag-tag band of rebels should who have, by comparison, a fraction of the funding and logistical support. . . and yet, this thing drags on as long as Vietnam. whatever. a perfect excuse for a U.S. military base . . . coincidentally, one right where we need one, in the heart of Asia.

 

[The Esotericist]

Stop being stubborn and listen.

 

[MacGyver1968]

Alex Jones? Really?

That's like you asking for a political neutral source...and I post a clip of Rush Limbaugh. AJ is a charlatan that banks off his flock that believes anything he says. Geez..and your the one who brought up the media brainwashing people.

 

[The Esotericist]

Alex Jones? Really?

That's like you asking for a political neutral source...and I post a clip of Rush Limbaugh. AJ is a charlatan that banks off his flock that believes anything he says. Geez..and your the one who brought up the media brainwashing people.

sigh. . . I'm not concerned about the source, it's the FACTS I'm concerned about. Do you think he is lying about the reputable people's opinions on this matter?

 

[MacGyver1968]

sigh. . . I'm not concerned about the source, it's the FACTS I'm concerned about. Do you think he is lying about the reputable people's opinions on this matter?

You should be concerned with the source, since they are the ones providing the "facts". If we were having a political debate, and I presented a statement by Rush Limbaugh as factual evidence...wouldn't you have a hard time believing it..since he's so partisan? AJ recently posted the transcript of interview done by celebrity Charlie Sheen with Pres. Obama, questioning him about 9/11. His flock was nearly cumming themselves to see such a high profile star getting to interview a sitting President about 9/11. That's because for the first few hours it was posted, there was no disclaimer on the post, letting everyone know this was just something that CS had written himself, and was actually fiction. They later added the disclaimer, but boooy! you should have seen how pissed many of the members were.

AJ is a publicity hound who says anything to get ratings for his radio show, and for selling t-shirts and dvds. He's in it for the green, not the truth.

 

[The Esotericist]

not really, I listen to Rush all the time. He is quite intelligent and a level headed man. His only failure is to adequately see both sides of the issue, and to fully understand that conservative or liberal, party politics have long ago been sold out to the globalists.

He's playing checkers in a world game of chess. He is but a pawn. What do you think THESE people think of Rush .. . . or Obama for that matter? They are mere pawns. Comparatively, when all is said and done, they have not much power in the end. The real policies and plans are made when these folks gather. Rush is but a fool, a jester, a child, who really knows nothing about how the world works, and entertains and spins entertaining side shows about matters that, in the end, will be irrelevant in a few years time.

These are the king makers.

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NLD Goddijn, Harold CEO, TomTom
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NLD Halberstadt, Victor Professor of Economics, Leiden University; Former Honorary Secretary General of Bilderberg Meetings
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[MacGyver1968]

I didn't know the NWO had a role call.

So what meds do you take?

 

[The Esotericist]

You should be concerned with the source, since they are the ones providing the "facts". If we were having a political debate, and I presented a statement by Rush Limbaugh as factual evidence...wouldn't you have a hard time believing it..since he's so partisan? AJ recently posted the transcript of interview done by celebrity Charlie Sheen with Pres. Obama, questioning him about 9/11. His flock was nearly cumming themselves to see such a high profile star getting to interview a sitting President about 9/11. That's because for the first few hours it was posted, there was no disclaimer on the post, letting everyone know this was just something that CS had written himself, and was actually fiction. They later added the disclaimer, but boooy! you should have seen how pissed many of the members were.

AJ is a publicity hound who says anything to get ratings for his radio show, and for selling t-shirts and dvds. He's in it for the green, not the truth.

lol. nope, not concerned, if I am suspect, I can check it out. I remember the incident you you are referring to. No intentional attempt was made to decieve, it was an oversight. If you are familiar at all with AJ, you are aware, he runs two sites, yes? INFOWARS, and PRISONPLANET. When he originally released it, it was with a video interview, and in the video, Mr. Sheen makes quite clear it is a fictional account, and why he wrote it. Also, there is the disclaimer. When it was posted at the other site? That is when they neglected to post the disclaimer with the written copy. However, had anyone bothered to watch the video, they would know the story behind it. Admittedly, folks at work who are slacking off can't watch video's now, can they? And if they were at the second site they posted it on? And were idiotic enough not to look for confirmation of the story in the MS media of a story that big? eh. . . their fault. AJ doesn't lie sir.

And for that matter? Rush Limbaugh is an honest man too. Both of them have huge radio shows. . . your word and your reputation, your accuracy, and your facts are what you live and die by. . . any journalist worth his salt knows that. Just ask Dan Rather good sir. Nope, I trust them both. The worst either will, or can be accused of, is perhaps putting enough spin on something to make you dizzy. lol Remember, there are two (or more) sides to every story, and always a multiplicity of ways to interpret data and statistics.

 

[The Esotericist]

I didn't know the NWO had a role call.

So what meds do you take?

Your disrespect and willful lack of education and knowledge are exceeded only by your immaturity. I accept your warped and twisted acknowledgment of defeat.

We shall consider your education at an end.

Peace and Light to you Mr. MacGyver.

 

[fedr808]

Your disrespect and willful lack of education and knowledge are exceeded only by your immaturity. I accept your warped and twisted acknowledgment of defeat.

We shall consider your education at an end.

Peace and Light to you Mr. MacGyver.

Eso, i see you are trying desperately to end this arguement asap because we both know your getting your ass thrashed and your trying to quit while your behind and make it look like a victory, too bad, we have you tied to the post, by the time were done, Id be surprised if you so much as came to this site.

 

[MacGyver1968]

True..I am immature and crack jokes whenever I can...and no I never acknowledged defeat. I don't want your education..your a nut job. I'm just having fun showing everyone what a nutjob you are.

You go on and on about the media brainwashing people, then say stuff like:

your word and your reputation, your accuracy, and your facts are what you live and die by. . . any journalist worth his salt knows that. Just ask Dan Rather good sir. Nope, I trust them both.

...don't you see the irony in that? Your all over the place. You don't know what you believe.

 

[The Esotericist]

Not trying, it's over. Until you post some, oh, I don't know, evidence, sources, something substantial? You guys are just wind bags.

I post sources for my posts. My stuff is backed up, yours isn't. Sorry to break it to you. It is far easier to light a darkened room with a single candle, than it is to try to shut out all the light from a brightly lit room.

yeah, the truth works like that. It's why I can present sources for my arguments, and you can't. You have lies, I have truth. :deal:

 

[The Esotericist]

...don't you see the irony in that? Your all over the place. You don't know what you believe.

ahhhh, how right you are my friend. what I believe changes daily. my mind is perpetually open to new idea, new thoughts, it is fluid like a river, a water fall.

Anything is possible, ANYTHING. Unfortunately, you don't understand that, it is why, it is so easy to lie to you. :bawl:

The only thing I am interested in is TRUTH. And what I am sure of? The 9/11 commission report is good for one thing. . . wiping my ***. It's travesty of justice, that is all it is. It is a disgusting book of revolting lies.

If you believe many of the items in it already proven false, even by NIST, than I do indeed feel sorry for you.

 

[stereologist]

Your disrespect and willful lack of education and knowledge are exceeded only by your immaturity. I accept your warped and twisted acknowledgment of defeat.

:crazy:

It's time for this child to start his education. As MacGyver so elegantly point out you have to begin with the source. Doesn't Rush say that all the time?

So if you listened to Rush you'd know the tactic is to look at the message, then accept or reject, and if rejecting point to the source and say "I told you so".

Oh, wait a minute that is what you are doing!

The terrorists were all capable of hitting the buildings. Just because one lunatic that thinks aliens are making the rings of Saturn is no reason to believe that the terrorists could not have hit the buldings. If it were such a widely held belief then there should be hundreds of pilots agreeing. Alas, no because this fruit cake stands alone.

telling me I am unintelligent, I know nothing, I don't know my facts, etc. What a lousy way to discuss an issue

Silly you it was your idiotic posts that told us this. You have no idea how images are projected, or what holograms are. You make stuff up as you go along. Your posting of PCTs continues to tell people quite a bit of your thinking.

In order to stay where those forces are. .. . they need an enemy to fight, and that enemy needs weapons, food, etc. yes?

That is nonsensical. Expansion and continued dominance is simpler without an enemy.

BTW, have you ever considered learning how to spell. It might make your statements clearer.

 

[MacGyver1968]

Not trying, it's over. Until you post some, oh, I don't know, evidence, sources, something substantial? You guys are just wind bags.

I post sources for my posts. My stuff is backed up, yours isn't. Sorry to break it to you. It is far easier to light a darkened room with a single candle, than it is to try to shut out all the light from a brightly lit room.

yeah, the truth works like that. It's why I can present sources for my arguments, and you can't. You have lies, I have truth. :deal:

You've got 2 things...Jack and Squat. I'll be happy to present any evidence about 9/11 you would like. I generally debate 9/11 from a "common sense" point of view, which doesn't take a lot of links, but if you want hard evidence, just let me know..

 

[The Esotericist]

I'll continue to come to this thread to see if any posts have links to evidence, if they don't? I'm not bothering to read anything. As such, I scanned, and didn't read anything after my last post . . .

 

[MacGyver1968]

What evidence would you like to see? Don't puss out. Just name your poison.

 

[Trippy]

not really, I listen to Rush all the time. He is quite intelligent and a level headed man. His only failure is to adequately see both sides of the issue, and to fully understand that conservative or liberal, party politics have long ago been sold out to the globalists.

He's playing checkers in a world game of chess. He is but a pawn. What do you think THESE people think of Rush .. . . or Obama for that matter? They are mere pawns. Comparatively, when all is said and done, they have not much power in the end. The real policies and plans are made when these folks gather. Rush is but a fool, a jester, a child, who really knows nothing about how the world works, and entertains and spins entertaining side shows about matters that, in the end, will be irrelevant in a few years time.

These are the king makers.

And not one name from the Asia-Pacific region.