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The whole Bush & Co "War on Terror" hyping where "terror" is represented by Islam, (anyone with a long beard, including the odd Orthodox Greek priest :m:) has placed an unfortunate and undeserving stain on things Muslim in the Western world. Minarets now, being the latest casualty. However its dressed, I would wager, this entire prohibition is a deep seated Swiss xenophobic reaction against the perception that Islam is taking over the Western way of life.

Ironically its the West (US & Co.) that have been systematically changing the Muslim way of life, waging wars against Islam for the last 20 plus years. Invading and slaughtering, orchestrating regime changes and creating general instability.
 
But its only brought to the surface what has been festering underneath. With increased labour import from Eastern European countries and hence the importing of a poorer less educated class of Muslims, there has been friction with Swiss "secularism" for some time, the last 20 years at least. There are bans on the head dress in some institutions, retrictions on halal meat [with some amusing consequences where once the Muslim community outbid the Jews and took all the halal/kosher meat] and a general feeling of otherness about Muslims in Switzerland. So its not really a country like the UK where you can be surrounded by a church, a mosque a synagogue and a temple and everyone can feel that they have the relative freedom to exercise their beliefs, its a more clannish type of environment such as you find in closed countries where culture is static and homogenous. There are 300 mosques [with minarets] in Mumbai alone and no one thinks its a sharia town.
 
Did the headscarf ban in France lead to any pogroms, hm?
So far only the mosque in Geneva got sprayed with a pink colour pot, and some vandals threw a few stones at it, no major destruction happened..just a few scratches. My guess is that it's an individual, or always the same group who did this. You're just over-dramatising.
Don't worry, the mosques seemed to be pretty save for over 40 years. I'd even go so far as to say that synagogues, and churchs suffered more vandalism in Switzerland than mosques ever did.

And the Swiss are not xenophobic, au contraire, the fact that a large portion of our population is made of immigrants, etc. is evidence enough. It just seems that these foreigners don't hold this acceptance dear enough as they don't seem to have any issues beating Swiss people up, spurting up the criminal activities in our rather safe country. A few years ago one could walk through Zurich at night, at the lake's shore without fear from being attacked, but since the numbers of foreigners has so dramatically increased these times are over. It's especially people from the Muslim communities who are engaging in these activities, and it's no mystery. But obviously, you wouldn't know since for you a minaret is more important than things that actually DO matter.
 
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I don't get it how religious building architecture is equated with political power symbol. Muslims pray in mosques, just like Christians pray in churces. Praying doesn't equate doing political activities. It's a duty of all muslims to pray 5 times a day, and it is OBLIGATORY for muslims men to pray in MOSQUES (together), at least every Friday noon. Or so, as I understand it.

p.s.: sorry if that is off-topic. I wanted to read the whole thread, but it's 17 pages already.. eek..
 
In France they did not specifically pick on Muslims, it was a general ban on all religious expression [typical atheist state telling everyone what they should do]. In Switzerland it has been creeping Islamophobia for 20 years now. Lets see how the debate goes.
kira said:
I don't get it how religious building architecture is equated with political power symbol. Muslims pray in mosques, just like Christians pray in churces. Praying doesn't equate doing political activities. It's a duty of all muslims to pray 5 times a day, and it is OBLIGATORY for muslims men to pray in MOSQUES (together), at least every Friday noon. Or so, as I understand it.

p.s.: sorry if that is off-topic. I wanted to read the whole thread, but it's 17 pages already.. eek..
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Its a two year old thread. This is not something that happened overnight, it has been festering for some time.

A few years ago one could walk through Zurich at night, at the lake's shore without fear from being attacked, but since the numbers of foreigners has so dramatically increased these times are over.
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Ah yes, poor people are violent and backward. Thats quite a revelation. How about you all do your own labour work then and quit taking them in?
 
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S.A.M. said:
But its only brought to the surface what has been festering underneath. With increased labour import from Eastern European countries and hence the importing of a poorer less educated class of Muslims, there has been friction with Swiss "secularism" for some time, the last 20 years at least. There are bans on the head dress in some institutions, retrictions on halal meat [with some amusing consequences where once the Muslim community outbid the Jews and took all the halal/kosher meat] and a general feeling of otherness about Muslims in Switzerland. So its not really a country like the UK where you can be surrounded by a church, a mosque a synagogue and a temple and everyone can feel that they have the relative freedom to exercise their beliefs, its a more clannish type of environment such as you find in closed countries where culture is static and homogenous. There are 300 mosques [with minarets] in Mumbai alone and no one thinks its a sharia town.
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Yes, clearly. The Swiss are wary of the Untermensch.
 
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Yes, clearly. The Swiss are wary of the Untermensch.
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Indeed. Most of the arguments I heard on this issue in various news sources was why can't they have their country back? All those dirty little foreigners, cramping their style, being so...different!. :mad:
 
S.A.M. said:
Indeed. Most of the arguments I heard on this issue in various news sources was why can't they have their country back? All those dirty little foreigners, cramping their style, being so...different!. :mad:
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Some people don't know. It's the 'dirty little foreigners' that do the low-skilled jobs in their country, e.g. cleaning service, harvesting crops, plumbing, etc. The Swiss don't do that themselves.
 
kira said:
Some people don't know. It's the 'dirty little foreigners' that do the low-skilled jobs in their country, e.g. cleaning service, harvesting crops, plumbing, etc. The Swiss don't do that themselves.
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Maybe they should start doing their own menial tasks. Then they won't have to suffer through culture shocks from interacting with foreigners!:p
 
kira said:
Some people don't know. It's the 'dirty little foreigners' that do the low-skilled jobs in their country, e.g. cleaning service, harvesting crops, plumbing, etc. The Swiss don't do that themselves.
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yeah but not all of these foreigners shout wish to bring law of Shariat all over the world and expel queen of England from her out country.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1576066/We-want-to-offer-sharia-law-to-Britain.html

If only they lived peacefully without political agendas...but that is not happening.
 
unlike other foreigners like Asians or other Europeans or Africans, Muslims are forming political agendas a wish to change the ruling party alltogether in addition to isolating themselves completely from the culture they came to.
This is a direct danger to the governments.
 
So...it's quite a pleasant sight to see how Muslims preach about tolerance, but whenever one takes a look at countries that are based on Islam..then it's hard to detect any sort of tolerance there at all. But hey, it's always easier to point your finger at us, and ignore what your own people have been doing. There's one fatwa after an other against people who disagree with Islam, or are just merely analysing it, but obviously Islamic terrorists are exempted of such death threats. You really wonder why, no?
See, S.A.M., and that's where you're getting biased, and one-sided. You completely ignore what the immigrants, and foreigners have been doing in this country. The distrust towards foreigners, and such didn't come from nothing. And, no, they're not poor. Our govs give them a shitload of money, houses to live, etc. We give them everything, and they're still partaking in criminal activities.
If you'd at least invest half as much effort in criticising Muslim terrorists, Islamic countries, as you're now criticising the Swiss. But obviously, that would be too much to ask. How dare you criticise your own people, the ones who're actually the source of why Islam is today considered as a source of extremism.

So, what does a minaret symbolise, other than political and religious power? Apparently Islam isn't separated from politics.
 
A little menial labour will keep Switzerland free from the cultural threat posed by minarets.
 
PsychoTropicPuppy said:
So, what does a minaret symbolise, other than political and religious power? Apparently Islam isn't separated from politics.
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Exactly! Islam and politics of those practicing Islam are inseparable. Just look at the trip to Mecca, the once in a lifetime trip to pray that Koran says every Muslim believer must take, it is said that people are encouraged to do trading as a result of the trip. The whole Mecca trip is an agenda to increase economies of the Muslim nations.
 
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Maybe this is the karmic return of British Colonial rule and its enforced dissemination of Christian values. :m:
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Isn't Christianity also a Middle Eastern religion? Why don't they just become pagans or wiccans or whatever? Maye they could do a clean sweep and go right back to their original roots, knock off the churches, mosques and synagoues and install some nice pagan gods in their stead.
 
*sigh* I see, no respect for our culture, but expecting a lot of respect in return. Sorry, but I can't respect people who are like this.

Such a fuss over a meaningless tower that would have been useless one way or the other as adhan five times per day would have never been allowed, ever. Just an eyesore in our architectural scenery.
 
S.A.M. said:
Isn't Christianity also a Middle Eastern religion? Why don't they just become pagans or wiccans or whatever? Maye they could do a clean sweep and go right back to their original roots, knock off the churches, mosques and synagoues and install some nice pagan gods in their stead.
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I thought Blair kinda filled this role. :m:
 
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