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Thats like saying blacks have a horrid record of violence worldwide and this should be used to determine their civil rights in the US.
 
I hate to throw in my two cents: but what race is Islam, again, Sam?
 
The same as Judaism, of course. Note that European racism is not restricted by gene or colour. History is proof. They just admitted the Irish and the Jews into the white circle. Not sure if Indian or Latin American Christians have made it yet.
 
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Thats like saying blacks have a horrid record of violence worldwide and this should be used to determine their civil rights in the US.
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Since we aren't discussing blacks nor the United States, the point doesn't stand. While it's useful to draw comparisons, yours doesn't fit in this particular circumstance. We're discussing Switzerland and their dislike of a historically repressive religion. Racial comparisons, comparisons to the USA just don't apply. Not every situation has a metaphorical comparison. Sometimes a situation is 100% sui generis. This is one. Switzerland is not an immigrant society. If you or I decide to go there, then we need to accept that we must become Swiss. If that means giving up some of the gaudy aspects of your religion, then that's the price you pay. If it's too much, then stay home or go some place else.

[I'm still wondering why we don't see you react this way to Iran's treatment of the Baha'i or some other repressed religion in an Islamic society?]

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So we should judge all whites by their history of repression?
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If you want, I don't care. But we aren't discussing that. If you want to go off onto some odd tangent, why not address your total hypocrisy about this repression while remaining nonplussed when Muslims oppress other religions.

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Can I see where Swiss Muslims have done this. By my reading there have been Muslims for a thousand years in Switzerland. Whats happened in all that time?

Or should I just say, well the Swiss are white and genetically predisposed to racism?
 
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So we should judge all whites by their history of repression?
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Well, you do. But this too is off topic.

I don't agree with the Swiss decision, frankly. Yet, I can understand to a degree their concern; Islam has never learned to play nice with other religions in the official capacity.

Wow. That's as nasty and sweeping a condemnation as I've uttered about it. I think I'll have it framed.
 
Hmm and whites have a history of imposing their beliefs wherever they go. Thats a fact, not an opinion. Correct?

There is not a single example in white history when, upon gaining power they did not impose their beliefs on other people. Right?
 
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Can I see where Swiss Muslims have done this. By my reading there have been Muslims for a thousand years in Switzerland. Whats happened in all that time?
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They were probably scared to pull the shit they are now in England, the Netherlands and Germany. Switzerland, seeing the writing on the wall in those countries, is exercising some discretion in preventing what is obviously a path towards civil chaos.

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Or should I just say, well the Swiss are white and genetically predisposed to racism?
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This isn't racism. It's . . . um. . . reigiousism. The Swiss don't like Islam. It's history of oppression being enough to curtail its growth there.

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Hmm and whites have a history of imposing their beliefs wherever they go. Thats a fact, not an opinion. Correct?
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By and large, this would be so. (Then again, it's true of almost every other group also.) Is this related to the topic of the thread somehow?
 
Yeah I am using the statistics about whites to define the Swiss people.

Apparenlty what they are doing is a biological imperative. Being white, they have no precedent of any other kind of behaviour.
 
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Yeah I am using the statistics about whites to define the Swiss people.
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Well, they don't work in this case. The Swiss haven't gone anywhere. They live there.

Apparenlty what they are doing is a biological imperative. Being white, they have no precedent of any other kind of behaviour.
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Hmm. That argument above does seem fairly racist. Could you specify how this is different, or how it relates to race specifically? Thanks.
 
Since we are talking about history, the history of whites is proof that they will always use their power to undermine the rights of others. So we should never expect anything but a steady stream of pogroms from the Europeans. Its been what, 60 years since the last one? Someone should map the frequency of pogroms by year/decade/century. Maybe its time for their next one. The way things are going in European politics certainly seems to indicate that.

I can see how this generalising works. I'm sure seeing all whites as potential racists and mass murderers will keep me safe
 
Again, the above seems a tad racist. Do you perhaps not see that the trends you're talking about are common to all people?
 
But we're not talking about individuals here. We're talking about what the group history is. This puts the crusades currently going on in a whole new light. No wonder all the white people have ganged up to kill Arabs and other Muslims.
 
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But we're not talking about individuals here.
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?? Neither am I.

We're talking about what the group history is.
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Yes, this is what I'm discussing also.

This puts the crusades currently going on in a whole new light. No wonder all the white people have ganged up to kill Arabs and other Muslims.
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Er...I hope you realize that the crusades were a response to Islamic aggression? And if it's particular to white people, why are the Chinese at it, then, and the Indians? The Sudanese? The Copts? Greek Christians in Turkey - however many are left. Indonesian non-Muslims? Religious minorities and homosexuals also would seem to have "ganged up" on Muslims, to hear you tell it.

BTW: not all Arabs are Muslim. Just thought I'd remind you.
 
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