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The campaign poster was blatant in its xenophobic symbolism: Three white sheep kicking out a black sheep over a caption that read "for more security." The message was not from a fringe force in Switzerland's political scene but from its largest party.


"For More Security" kick out the blacks. Not sheep but people.
Do you think that they wanted to dismiss black sheep from Switzerland?
Because of their low value wool?

This campaign is very old, and I reopened it to highlight a new racist Swiss poster.
The Swiss are a good people in an incredibly lovely country, but their politics can be vile.
 
Isn't that just your interpretation of it? But I suppose just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you.
 
Captain Kremmen said:
Just read OP

The campaign poster was blatant in its xenophobic symbolism: Three white sheep kicking out a black sheep over a caption that read "for more security." The message was not from a fringe force in Switzerland's political scene but from its largest party.


"For More Security" kick out the blacks. Not sheep but people.
Do you think that they wanted to dismiss black sheep from Switzerland?
Because of their low value wool?

This campaign is very old, and I reopened it to highlight a new racist Swiss poster.
The Swiss are a good people in an incredibly lovely country, but their politics can be vile.
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The black sheep represents the immigrants who come to Switzerland just to do shit such as dealing with drugs, burglary, etc. You know..all that kind of criminal activity.

Most immigrants in Switzerland are white, and not black. It's not racist as they explained that they do not want to kick out immigrants who accustomed to their host country, yet they want to get rid of those who come there just to spurt up criminal activities, and fill up the jails. The SVP never spoke of skin colour.

I'm sorry, but anyone accusing them of being racist should actually be kind enough to do some research in beforehand before going all "they're racists!".
Falsely accusing others of racism is not cool, you know.
 
Captain Kremmen said:
Just read OP

The campaign poster was blatant in its xenophobic symbolism: Three white sheep kicking out a black sheep over a caption that read "for more security." The message was not from a fringe force in Switzerland's political scene but from its largest party.


"For More Security" kick out the blacks. Not sheep but people.
Do you think that they wanted to dismiss black sheep from Switzerland?
Because of their low value wool?

This campaign is very old, and I reopened it to highlight a new racist Swiss poster.
The Swiss are a good people in an incredibly lovely country, but their politics can be vile.
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A 'black sheep' is an idiom found in many languages, referring to a wayward member of the herd who is often a wrong-doer. S.A.M was being more than a little unjust when she asserted that the poster was 'xenophobic' in nature. Try to take a step back here.
 
Cellar_Door said:
S.A.M was being more than a little unjust when she asserted that the poster was 'xenophobic' in nature.
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No she wasn't. The SVP - like far-right parties everywhere - are openly xenophobic, and that is precisely the message the poster was intended to send. Their platform is all about kicking out the dark-skinned foreigners.

The pertinent question is why S.A.M. made a thread about this topic a full 2 years after the controversy in question.
 
No, SAM did not reopen the thread, I did.
It was because a new racist poster, similar to the previous had been issued.
Same subject, and no need for a new thread.

I believe that the Swiss were not impressed by it, and have voted against the proposal anyway.

Well done the Swiss!
 
^ They'll betray themselves and give in to the Muslims constant need to validate themselves by using Western liberalism as their weapon, while you don't even get to build a fucking church in Saudi Arabia, or any other Islamic country for that matter as it's too much of a hazard to take upon yourself.


EDIT: OH YESSSS! They voted for the ban! I love you, Switzerland! :D:D:D

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...rland-appears-to-have-backed-minaret-ban.html
 
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PsychoTropicPuppy said:
^ They'll betray themselves and give in to the Muslims constant need to validate themselves by using Western liberalism as their weapon, while you don't even get to build a fucking church in Saudi Arabia, or any other Islamic country for that matter as it's too much of a hazard to take upon yourself.


EDIT: OH YESSSS! They voted for the ban! I love you, Switzerland! :D:D:D

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...rland-appears-to-have-backed-minaret-ban.html
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Good on em'. I was really hoping they would stand their ground on this issue. I completely agree with what you wrote, it is using Western liberalism as a weapon but its being dealt with...at least in Switzerland.

Notice the fear?

"Eveline Widmer-Schlumpf, the Swiss justice minister, has suggested that a vote for a ban could fuel Islamist radicalism and violent protests, such as those that greeted Danish cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed in 2006."

They are afraid of carrying out their democratic rights just in case it pisses off muslims in Switzerland and in other nations. Why should muslims in other nations be of consideration in terms of Switzerland's domestic policy? Its crazy.
 
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Lucysnow said:
Good on em'. I was really hoping they would stand their ground on this issue. I completely agree with what you wrote, it is using Western liberalism as a weapon but its being dealt with...at least in Switzerland.

Notice the fear?

"Eveline Widmer-Schlumpf, the Swiss justice minister, has suggested that a vote for a ban could fuel Islamist radicalism and violent protests, such as those that greeted Danish cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed in 2006."

They are afraid of carrying out their democratic rights just in case it pisses off muslims in Switzerland and in other nations. Why should muslims in other nations be of consideration in terms of Switzerland's domestic policy? Its crazy.
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Haha, it's also laughable how they claim that it's going to pose an issue for Muslim integration, lol. What the fuck does a minaret have to do with integration? Nil, zilch, zero.
This topic has been the cause of heated debates across whole of Europe, and other parts of the world. And it's going to cost Switzerland a lot. A lot.
Oh, they're already planning on dragging Switzerland to the EU court because of human rights breach. I swear, not only all the Arab nations will boycott us, but also the EU. And, honestly, if a bomb is going to explode in Zurich, or anywhere else in Switzerland then I'll have to say, again, that the Muslim communities have again shown their true colours.
 
Hmm if true, I disagree with their actions. If Brand Suisse wants to become "the country that banned minarets" just like Brand Denmark has become "the country of Mohammed cartoons", they have a right to their self branding. I hope Geert Wilders tries to do this in the Netherlands as well. It will be interesting to see Europeans using Saudi Arabia as their model state, while Saudi Arabia itself mulls on a church for expats. They could always grasp the Suisse ruling to back out of their tentative steps to "freedom of religion".
 
Well, S.A.M., you know Saudi Arabia is mulling on that for who knows how long, and there's still no church, or any other religious building there, you can't even wear a crucifix..and I don't see it coming any time soon, actually I don't see it ever coming.

http://windowoneurasia.blogspot.com/2008/11/window-on-eurasia-saudi-mosque-in.html

Honestly, that was a cute reaction. 'Want a mosque? Okay, in exchange for a church in your country!' :D
 
Let me guess. "Your country" is not the one their children are born in. This is like ageing wine.
 
S.A.M. said:
Let me guess. "Your country" is not the one their children are born in. This is like ageing wine.
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It was in reference to the article I posted. The Saudis asked for an other mosque in Moscow, and the Orthodox church of Russia countered this request with being allowed to have their church in Saudi Arabia. Fair is fair. A taste of their own medicine, so to say.

I think it would be actually quite entertaining to see the first christian church in Saudi Arabia to be the Orthodox one. I think that would piss the Vatican off...endlessly much. :D
 
But I bet the Saudi mosque was for Russian Muslims. The Russian church was for?
 
PsychoTropicPuppy said:
Haha, it's also laughable how they claim that it's going to pose an issue for Muslim integration, lol. What the fuck does a minaret have to do with integration? Nil, zilch, zero.
This topic has been the cause of heated debates across whole of Europe, and other parts of the world. And it's going to cost Switzerland a lot. A lot.
Oh, they're already planning on dragging Switzerland to the EU court because of human rights breach. I swear, not only all the Arab nations will boycott us, but also the EU. And, honestly, if a bomb is going to explode in Zurich, or anywhere else in Switzerland then I'll have to say, again, that the Muslim communities have again shown their true colours.
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Switzerland is not an EU member state as yet is it? I always thought they had a special relationship with the EU without full status. I don't think Switzerland will get too much heat except from orgs like Amnesty International etc. You would think that barring the minaret is equivalent to torture or something.

Switzerland is a real democracy where they came to a decision through referendum. In this case the needs of the many outweigh the needs of a few (who are indeed foreigners).

I don't think you will have boycotts. Hey Switzerland already has four minarets, in such a small country four is enough. If muslims do not like it they can return to where they came from or go somewhere else.
 
I don't think they should be boycotted either. Its more useful to use their example.
 
S.A.M. said:
But I bet the Saudi mosque was for Russian Muslims. The Russian church was for?
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Oh, I wrongly formulated that one. Requesting for a non-denominational Christian church, not necessarily an Orthodox one.
Lets think..how many Christians are in Saudi Arabia? Last time I checked..over 1 million, even if they're there just temporarily, there's a regular influx of Christian workers in Saudi Arabia. I find it kind of sad that they're not even allowed to carry a bible around, or even a crucifix.
 
Your argument would hold better if the mosque was being built in the Phillipines. Last I checked, most of the Christians in Saudi Arabia were Filipinos.

But, as a supporter of minaret bans I'm sure you would be pleased if the Saudis reciprocated likewise. In fact, I think Europeans might want to employ the entire bundle of old crap that Saudi Arabia is ditching, they only recently started giving citizenship to foreign workers, maybe some European country could pick up the anti-citizenship stance they discarded?

Btw you were right the first time, it was a Russian Orthodox church they wanted

. I find it kind of sad that they're not even allowed to carry a bible around, or even a crucifix.
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The Saudis are obviously more sensitive than the Swiss, they don't want to see even personal ornaments as symbols of foreign cultures in their safe and cosy monocultural society.
 
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