Bah Bah Black Sheep

[draqon]

If socialism is to be integrated in a world scale, it needs to be done so with consent of all the people of Earth or it has to be economically sound.

I am a supporter of the utopian view too, but its just so far from reality, that trying to achieve it is pointless. I do want socialism as well, but will it be fair, how can we make it fair, how can people realise that sharing is better than keeping for self? Is that not a lesson of love many of us learn in our lives...

 

[(Q)]

Thank God people don't all think like you. We'd still be living in caves.

Here's an article I'm sure you'll enjoy.

"So, are we modernists? No, we just follow Islam as the Prophet (pbuh) taught with his greater wisdom than the proponents of "primitivism" in Islam.

What they preach is Islam in the stone ages, living in caves with guns made in the USA or Russia. They will never be able to produce a bar of soap, grow a society, avoid tribal warfare, educate their chidren beyond paroting verses of the quran without knowing the meaning, etc."

http://www.articlesbase.com/religion-articles/modernizing-islam-614730.html

 

[S.A.M.]

Here's an article I'm sure you'll enjoy.

"So, are we modernists? No, we just follow Islam as the Prophet (pbuh) taught with his greater wisdom than the proponents of "primitivism" in Islam.

What they preach is Islam in the stone ages, living in caves with guns made in the USA or Russia. They will never be able to produce a bar of soap, grow a society, avoid tribal warfare, educate their chidren beyond paroting verses of the quran without knowing the meaning, etc."

http://www.articlesbase.com/religion-articles/modernizing-islam-614730.html

Why don't you send them a teddy bear?

 

[PsychoTropicPuppy]

@Captain Kremmen
I didn't call anyone a sissy...
No, people don't manage to live peacefully with each others without anyone controlling them. Err..wait, why do we need the police, if what you're saying is true?
Those borders are invisible, Captain Kremmen, but they're there. You'll feel them, notice them, hear them, smell them, and see them if you'll ever get the chance to live in such a place.

@ S.A.M.
Indeed, today we no longer live in small tribes..today, they're just a lot lot bigger. Sorry, people still try to invade others. Just on a different scale, and in different manners.

And I say, we need fewer people like you, who are trying to change the world with such naive notions. Who are ignoring who, and what we are.
(You reap what you sow. )

Don't get me wrong. It would be really nice to live in such a world, and personally, I don't have a problem with it. I'm just pointing out that what you're talking about is impossible, and will never happen, because of basic facts such as I've mentioned. Come back with an other ideology which does include all of those mishaps that human nature brings with itself, and then we'll see.

 

[PsychoTropicPuppy]

If socialism is to be integrated in a world scale, it needs to be done so with consent of all the people of Earth or it has to be economically sound.

I am a supporter of the utopian view too, but its just so far from reality, that trying to achieve it is pointless. I do want socialism as well, but will it be fair, how can we make it fair, how can people realise that sharing is better than keeping for self? Is that not a lesson of love many of us learn in our lives...

Yes, yes...lets dream on.

 

[S.A.M.]

Okay, lets continue to live in a world of war and poverty then, obviously anything else is inhuman.

 

[draqon]

Maybe the mindset of the young children needs to be changed to include a lesson and importance of sharing and being socially responsible amongst each other. A lesson of ethics and morality. I took such classes back when I was in school in Russia.

 

[PsychoTropicPuppy]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhh...brainwashing. [joke]

 

[S.A.M.]

Maybe the mindset of the young children needs to be changed to include a lesson and importance of sharing and being socially responsible amongst each other. A lesson of ethics and morality. I took such classes back when I was in school in Russia.

Yeah so did I. Maybe there is something to the childhood indoctrination after all.

 

[(Q)]

Why don't you send them a teddy bear?

It's too bad you didn't read the article, Sam. It's one of best pieces I've ever read from a Muslim. Inspiring, actually.

It puts your ideals to shame.

 

[PsychoTropicPuppy]

(Q)...look beyond her religious belief. Lets not get this thread spammed with anti-Muslim bullshit, too. For fuck's sake.

 

[quadraphonics]

Whats national identity?

Is that a rhetorical question?

You're an American.

Yes.

Are you Cherokee? Pequot? Mohican?

Nope.

 

[quadraphonics]

There is much more to gain by accomodating each other [...] we need fewer people like you

Do you really not perceive the contradiction here?

 

[S.A.M.]

Do you really not perceive the contradiction here?

No not at all. The more racists there are in society, the lesser the opportunities for civil rights.

 

[PsychoTropicPuppy]

I did..I did, quadraphonics. She's a living artefact of why her ideology is not possible.

 

[quadraphonics]

No not at all. The more racists there are in society, the lesser the opportunities for civil rights.

So we're to accept and accomodate every individual... except for the ones who disagree with your program?

 

[PsychoTropicPuppy]

No not at all. The more racists there are in society, the lesser the opportunities for civil rights.

Ehm, I'm not racist. But thanks anyway..keep on coming with those indirect ad hominems. Suits you best.

 

[PsychoTropicPuppy]

So we're to accept and accomodate every individual... except for the ones who disagree with your program?

And now, wonder why she has such a big problem with nationalism.

 

[S.A.M.]

So we're to accept and accomodate every individual... except for the ones who disagree with your program?

No we just go ahead with the program hoping a majority of people will vote for no war. Let the warmongerers go ahead and kill each other.

 

[quadraphonics]

No we just go ahead with the program hoping a majority of people will vote for no war.

I thought we were talking about eliminating borders?

Let the warmongerers go ahead and kill each other.

The obvious problem there is that there's no reason for the warmongers to limit their efforts to other warmongers. Especially if they are confident that everyone else will abjure war in response to them.

Even if 95% of the world rejects war, all that will occur is that the other 5% will have free reign to dominate everyone else through force. Your program requires unanimity, not a simple majority.