1st, you apologize for your lies & unsupported insults.
atheists, please explain yourselves..
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Reading your posts the first time is plenty.
Sorry, but I don't believe you. You might actually be careful not to openly advocate attacks on civillians, but that wasn't what I said either.
Your postions, such as the one concerning the temple mount, and intolerance are no different from the ones which are used to justify islamic terrorism. Nor have I seen any sense of actual brotherhood which those who suffer those attacks.
Show me an actual critique of islam's use of terrorism and show me a sympathetic understanding of some of the issues and I'll consider the matter futher.
man this is so overwhelming..how can someone say anything to so many people??
i appreciate those who say what's on their mind..i appreciate those who say what comes to their mind when they read someone else's reply..but i don't appreciate those who jump others personally and generalize their assaults(although some of them are right
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i'm with yoooou..i'm with you all the way..i like people who think for themselves and don't take everything as granted from others..what i like about atheists is that they are thinkers.. but with two connected problems..
1- they don't think everything thoroughly..just like the evolution theory..it's fantastic..but go on with it you'll find that it reaches a dead end..so don't take your conclusion cake out of the thinking oven till it's 100 percent done....i know you'll jump me saying how do youknow it's us who need mor coocking not you..and my answer is that none of you so far has come up with a discussion point or objection which i haven't thought of and solved logically before..i'm glad and at ease with myself to say i have the full picture..yes i was born muslim and i was taght islam as a kid..but when i filtered everyones thoughts and ideas i reached the conclusion(on my own) that islam is best, that's hard, and dipressing, to go through a big loop of doubt and analyzing and possibility consideration to reach the point you were taught not to question, but it was worth it..i have no doubt of what i'm doing whatsoever, unlike atheiests who have more doubt in others then in their selves..
so the fantastic question you should always ask is :
why is it you who got the full picture and not us?? why isn't it the other way around?
i though of that for a loooong time..and i'm happy to pronounce the answer..
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we know about ourselves and you..you know only about yourselves..i put all posibilities into validity consideration..you put everyhing into failure consideration...you know nothing of god and the differences between "all of them" so it makes sense not to believe himm
i'm saying that if i have never heard of islam.. i might've been an atheist too..
gotta a lecture to catch
i appreciate those who say what's on their mind..i appreciate those who say what comes to their mind when they read someone else's reply..but i don't appreciate those who jump others personally and generalize their assaults(although some of them are right
)i'm with yoooou..i'm with you all the way..i like people who think for themselves and don't take everything as granted from others..what i like about atheists is that they are thinkers.. but with two connected problems..
1- they don't think everything thoroughly..just like the evolution theory..it's fantastic..but go on with it you'll find that it reaches a dead end..so don't take your conclusion cake out of the thinking oven till it's 100 percent done....i know you'll jump me saying how do youknow it's us who need mor coocking not you..and my answer is that none of you so far has come up with a discussion point or objection which i haven't thought of and solved logically before..i'm glad and at ease with myself to say i have the full picture..yes i was born muslim and i was taght islam as a kid..but when i filtered everyones thoughts and ideas i reached the conclusion(on my own) that islam is best, that's hard, and dipressing, to go through a big loop of doubt and analyzing and possibility consideration to reach the point you were taught not to question, but it was worth it..i have no doubt of what i'm doing whatsoever, unlike atheiests who have more doubt in others then in their selves..
so the fantastic question you should always ask is :
why is it you who got the full picture and not us?? why isn't it the other way around?
i though of that for a loooong time..and i'm happy to pronounce the answer..
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knowledge
we know about ourselves and you..you know only about yourselves..i put all posibilities into validity consideration..you put everyhing into failure consideration...you know nothing of god and the differences between "all of them" so it makes sense not to believe himm
i'm saying that if i have never heard of islam.. i might've been an atheist too..
gotta a lecture to catch
DiamondHearts
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swarm, you a racist and you think anyone who is Muslim is a criminal. You cannot provide any proof that I allegedly support terrorism, because no such proof exists.
Your dishonesty has been revealed. Do us all a favor and next time when you make such comments, provide us with proof first or ask the person about their stances.
Moderators, is there any recourse for false accusations against a poster, i.e. calling him a murderer or terrorist?
Your dishonesty has been revealed. Do us all a favor and next time when you make such comments, provide us with proof first or ask the person about their stances.
Moderators, is there any recourse for false accusations against a poster, i.e. calling him a murderer or terrorist?
Personally, I never wanted to become an atheist and I certainly didn't intend for it to happen. I went to a Christian school for 8 years and was an overly devout Christian during junior high, so I know the Bible backwards and forwards. I understand what it feels like to accept Christ as your personal savior and honestly try your hardest to please God. However the more I thought about God and religion in general it sounded to fantastic, like the story of Santa Clause, how could someone travel the world in one night with flying reindeer. It's obviously because Santa Clause is magical and the story had to many parallels to God. So like Santa Clause I doubted God's existence at least how he is described in the Bible. And once I lost my faith, I tried so hard to get it back. I didn't want to be an atheist, because I knew atheist went to hell. I tried everything to restore the faith I had before. But I couldn't do it. I didn't believe and I couldn't will myself too no matter how bad I wanted to be a Christian, I didn't believe any more. So I had to accept it and call it like it was. I'm still waiting for my faith to be restored, but at the rate I'm going I seriously doubt it's going to happen. I'm just as happy now with my lack of faith as I was when I had it. It was just a painful transition.
yo want me to be blunt with you cutsie??
i don't blame you..modern Christianity has many illogical gaps in it as well..Christianity was once the right religion..to worship god alone..but after they added jesus their messenger and his mother into the equation as gods (although jesus told them he isn't) everything went off balance..it's something not to believe in a religion cuz it's majorly flawed..it's something else to believe your religion cuz it's flawless..and it's totally something else to disbelieve in all religions because what YOU know of them is flawed..
i don't blame you..modern Christianity has many illogical gaps in it as well..Christianity was once the right religion..to worship god alone..but after they added jesus their messenger and his mother into the equation as gods (although jesus told them he isn't) everything went off balance..it's something not to believe in a religion cuz it's majorly flawed..it's something else to believe your religion cuz it's flawless..and it's totally something else to disbelieve in all religions because what YOU know of them is flawed..
i've gotta say, this comment was one possibility i haven't ventured through before..and it got me thinking..but turned out wrong too..
an alchaholist hates alchahol and tries to rid himself of it after time..a person with a religion doesn't..he tries to stick to it and prefers himself with it than before it..opposite to alchohol...
it boils down to that the sweet sensation of perposefulness found in worshipping is something built in humans (which make sense cuz god created us to worship him, that's our goal in life, like a key's goal is to open locks.. you guys are opening boxes and cleaning ears and rubbing lottery cards nd refusing to open a lock..)
unlike alchohol which humans are built to react to but not to to integrate into their lives, becuse it simply destroys it..religion does the opposite..
our od is like the soul..out of reach but aknowledged because we have enough info on it and it has affected the physical world many ways..greek gods are mythology made up by men..zeus never attempted to reveal himself in any way.. the god jews and christans used to and muslims do worship has sent his word to earth with messengers, and because humans are not all smart or humble enough to accept that..god enforced his messengers with miracles which not even the smartest man on earth can explain otherwise(if you think i'm stupid for thinkng so go research them well and come back to me once you found a way around them) many would argue that these miricles are of the past, hence they're myths..not only are they rendering all human history useless that way but they're also neglecting the miracles which are still living toay, nd the reason they are still present is because no more messengers will be sent..the miracle i'm talking about is the quran( again if you think it's a mere book then go do your rsearch please)
of course i can see that we have bypassed the need to agree on god's existance..some improvement..not bad..
No, children are born with their parents who indoctrinate them into the religion, because the parents were indoctrinated before them.
How many Christian children are born into Muslim families?
Many Christian religious nuts believe that all children are born Christian and if they're born to Muslims they're then indoctrinated in Islam.
I'm sure there are Muslim religious nuts who believe that all children are born Muslim and those born to Christians are indoctrinated and turned away from Allah.
I'm sure there are Muslim religious nuts who believe that all children are born Muslim and those born to Christians are indoctrinated and turned away from Allah.
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Zeus revealed himself, why would you lie about that?
In other words, quite contrary to your claim about Zeus, your god never revealed himself.
Are you smart enough to distinguish one mythology from another?
Or, more precisely, that is a question you already answered: "mythology made up by men"
Been there, done that. The Quran is a book of myths and superstitions just like Greek mythology. A book is not a miracle, it's a book.
you're right..
pure common sense will make any person reach the conclusion that there is a supreme being controlling and guiding the universe..because it's going too smoothly and it's avoidin countless devetating odds to be all coincidence..
"nutty" religions differ on how to worship and show graditutde to this god..atheists have closed their eyes to all this andsunk in their endlessly looping theories..
so admitting tht god is there is the simplest scientific observation that can be made..
Ah, so your god did kill over a quarter million people in that 2004 tsunami?
You mean, like a tsunami that killed over a quarter million people?
Then, show us this observation.
Your words below represent fallacious thinking.
This statement relies on the assumption that the universe is 'going smoothly' when there is clear evidence to the contrary. Indeed, the universe is quite chaotic and inhospitiable. Black holes, frigid and lifeless expanses of space, immense pressures and temperatures, cosmic rays, etc. -we have a delicate bubble of existence that is constantly threatened and even here the evidence shows that mass exctinctions are a common enough occurance to be watchful and mindful. Nothing "smooth" about our universe.
In addition, simply saying that a conclusion for a god is "common sense" doesn't imply this to be the case. Instead, this is an argument from ignorance since, in absence of knowledge or explanation, you resort to 'goddidit' to explain existence as you understand it. Perhaps it isn't "common" sense that is needed but critical thought. In addition, if one were truly relying on common sense, one might begin to wonder if a god created the universe, what created the god? That a god is "timeless" or "eternal" is not a common sense explanation since such a cop-out could just as easily be applied to a universe/multi-verse scenario.
This statement makes the assumption that there is something to be seen and that atheists do not wish to see it. Quite the contrary -atheism is a result of not seeing what is actually being looked for. A positive claim for a god is made, an individual asks "where?" and "why?", no good reason is given, the individual declines to accept "just because..." as a good reason and is, thus, an atheist. Until such time as conclusive good reason is provided. This is called reason and rationalism.
This statement makes the assumption that there is something to observe. There isn't.
This statement relies on the assumption that the universe is 'going smoothly' when there is clear evidence to the contrary. Indeed, the universe is quite chaotic and inhospitiable. Black holes, frigid and lifeless expanses of space, immense pressures and temperatures, cosmic rays, etc. -we have a delicate bubble of existence that is constantly threatened and even here the evidence shows that mass exctinctions are a common enough occurance to be watchful and mindful. Nothing "smooth" about our universe.
In addition, simply saying that a conclusion for a god is "common sense" doesn't imply this to be the case. Instead, this is an argument from ignorance since, in absence of knowledge or explanation, you resort to 'goddidit' to explain existence as you understand it. Perhaps it isn't "common" sense that is needed but critical thought. In addition, if one were truly relying on common sense, one might begin to wonder if a god created the universe, what created the god? That a god is "timeless" or "eternal" is not a common sense explanation since such a cop-out could just as easily be applied to a universe/multi-verse scenario.
This statement makes the assumption that there is something to be seen and that atheists do not wish to see it. Quite the contrary -atheism is a result of not seeing what is actually being looked for. A positive claim for a god is made, an individual asks "where?" and "why?", no good reason is given, the individual declines to accept "just because..." as a good reason and is, thus, an atheist. Until such time as conclusive good reason is provided. This is called reason and rationalism.
This statement makes the assumption that there is something to observe. There isn't.
yet this bubble has went against limitless odds and for a very long time but haven't burst..wht does that mean??
it's your turn to say: "coincisence"
It tells me that you're a fan of argumentum ignorantum and under-educated on the geologic and biologic time-scales and unfamiliar with the anthropic principle.
no it tells ME you are counting the things that went wrong and forgetting the things that COULD'VE went wrong but didn't..
if you you do that and make a ratio it'll be like this..call any 12 year-olds if you need help)
things that could've possibly gone wrong= infinity
things that have actually went wrong= constant (no matter how big the number is)
devide them over each other and you'll get
infinity possibility of god's existance..
zero possibility of his non-existance..
if you you do that and make a ratio it'll be like this..
call any 12 year-olds if you need help)things that could've possibly gone wrong= infinity
things that have actually went wrong= constant (no matter how big the number is)
devide them over each other and you'll get
infinity possibility of god's existance..
zero possibility of his non-existance..
no it tells ME you are counting the things that went wrong and forgetting the things that COULD'VE went wrong but didn't..
if you you do that and make a ratio it'll be like this..
things that could've possibly gone wrong= infinity
things that have actually went wrong= constant (no matter how big the number is)
devide them over each other and you'll get
infinity possibility of god's existance..
zero possibility of his non-existance..
So, how many planets are there with intelligent beings analogous to humans where "things have gone wrong" and what do you define as "going wrong?" I see a lot "going wrong" and people dying/being displaced throughout human history, but maybe I'm working with a different definition that you are.