Enmos
Valued Senior Member
Come on dude. I already told you, it's because it's not unlawful.
Well, there are places, I'm sure, where it is unlawful.
Did you read that post where I quoted a piece from Wiki?
At what point, from conception does a ''phetus'' become a human being?
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Come on dude. I already told you, it's because it's not unlawful.
Well, there are places, I'm sure, where it is unlawful.
It's somewhat arbitrary, but the line needs to be drawn somewhere.
Which brings us back to the OP.
jan.
Yes, so why are we even talking about this subject anyway? Is there some question about the law?
The Bible says the soul enters the body with the first breath.
Wow Spidey good one . Your a regular old bible banger now . That should carry some wait with the elitists
Chickens dont eat scrambled eggs either. So no, I wouldnt become a cannibal. Thats not to say all human cultures have my values. Humans have been noted to partake in cannibalism (culturally and independantly). And infanticide (culturally and independently).
No. It is what the proper term for an embryo in development. I was also a fetus until I was born. Many things could have gone wrong that would have changed that outcome.
Some people get very emotional over such events. I didnt say it is unnecessary for them. Others are accepting or even indifferent. That is the diversity of people.
http://digitalcommons.kennesaw.edu/...dir=1#search="child mortality naming rituals"
Tinyurl of above
http://tinyurl.com/3rde38p
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/02/22/948314/-Indians-101:-Plateau-Indian-Names-
http://www.csuchico.edu/~cheinz/syllabi/asst001/spring99/wong/wong1.html
Africa, arabia, lots of places through out the world had/have similar traditions.
Development is the key. While you may not appreciate the biology of it, a fetus is parasitic on its host when in the womb. It takes nutrients and oxygen from its host to survive. It can cause death to its host depending on the host bodies reaction to its presence or can kill its host during birth.
Now you may not like the facts of what a baby does to its parental body, this is the reality for all mammals (except the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monotreme which suffers its own cost to produce eggs).
And while we hope for the best, there are no guarentees.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menendez_Brothers
Define "we".So in other words human being-ness occurs when we accept that it does?
elte
Valued Senior Member
That is my segue to probably a more encompassing way to look at this issue, which is to consider personhood rather than human being status. This way animals that actively interact with us can be taken into account.
Whoa. Are you saying that abortion is the same as swatting a fly or a mosquito? That is cold.
I mean, I guess it's true if a fly shared half of your DNA, would become a human being if you didn't kill it, and required surgery to "swat".
I see it as exactly that. But of greater magnitude - a fly isn't going to mess up my physical health or affect me long term. Or possibly cause fistula or incontinence.
Sorry, but I'm not sentimental about pregnancy. Yes, if you want to call me cold, I guess from your perspective, it's true.
Sure. Free protein.
Some people do eat human fetuses. (Chinese people)
Mekigars too . They eat shit all the time . Now Me I am tired of eating shit . Enough shit eating for one person . Nop not gona . Done
I like that. I've had some animal friends I liked better than humans.
Big Chiller
Registered Senior Member
The sense of "right" itself is subject to the social norm of a populace.
While law is not constructed from the morality of several individuals it is indeed subject to the collective moral view according to the social norm of a populace. So I don't see from where comes the issue of a personal moral insight.
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As far as that is concerned which humans can provide, defend or reestablish: no, we have no rights at all.
We cannot bring someone back to life after they were killed - even though we say everyone has the right to live.
If everyone really had the right to live and the Law and Society were there to ensure this right, then it would be possible to unkill dead people. But it is not.
We also say that everyone has the right to clean air and work - and it is not like humans can really provide either or sanction the transgression of those (presumed) rights.
And so on.
That could be because our sense of morality and purpose in life would crumble if we wouldn't.
Mere privileges.
Enmos
Valued Senior Member
No, I meant that there are far less consequences to not swatting a fly or a mosquito than there are to keeping an unwanted child.
What is cold is saying that girls and women that got pregnant unwanted and choose an abortion are murderers.
Yup.
Because that's what happens when people value morality above law. Look at the world. If people have no concern for the law or when there is no law to speak of they are going to do what they think is right or what their local community deems is right.
What law does, or at least should do, is identify the collective morality and incorporate it.
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