Are all soldiers like the Nazis?

Very true, I did volunteer for the military. I was not coerced into joining the military, and no one forced it upon me. I was fully aware of what I was doing upon joining the military.
 
Originally Posted by Randwolf
Would you kill to save you or your family's lives? Yes or no?

Only if attacked.

Personally I think anyone who believes violence is a solution should be requested to blow their brains out.

Originally Posted by Randwolf
Well, I don't see any reason not to follow your own advice - please tell me your preference of funeral flowers? Or perhaps you will simply decline to fulfill your own request?

Not at all. If I was fighting back with a gun, you'd be right

Its never been necessary, I usually just nag them to death.


Ummmm.... Well, most soldiers, of any country that I am aware of, don't make a habit of using the "nag" weapon - it's outlawed by the Geneva convention you know... ;)

As to the other, you do realize that under any "normal" conditions of war (if there is such a thing) life would involve "fighting back with a gun" (or worse), right SAM? :rolleyes:

In spite of all this lovey-dovey stuff, you sort of side stepped the question...

You apparently, in good faith, asserted that you would kill to protect your family, if attacked. Is this true?

If so, doesn't that mean:
Personally I think anyone who believes violence is a solution should be requested to blow their brains out.

Let me know, sweetheart...
:thankyou:
 
I've never been faced with the situation but let me put it this way, if by some chance, my family was in danger and I went out and got the biggest bomb I could find and dropped it on the neighborhood of the people I suspected had attacked them or were planning to attack them, you have permission to remind me to blow my brains out. Premeditated murder is murder under any excuse.
 
They'll get over it, as the Americans will. Between the two, its not China we have to worry about.
You have to worry about the US, Britain, Israel and their puppets NATO followers . Wow....that is too much worry to carry around !.
 
I've never been faced with the situation but let me put it this way, if by some chance, my family was in danger and I went out and got the biggest bomb I could find and dropped it on the neighborhood of the people I suspected had attacked them or were planning to attack them, you have permission to remind me to blow my brains out. Premeditated murder is murder under any excuse.

It's usually not premeditated SAM - most soldiers encounter enemy combatants by surprise, and have to kill, and have to kill very quickly. Very similar to the conditions that you can comprehend in the analogy involving your immediate family.

However, I see that you have returned to your normal cat and mouse games, wherein you refuse to answer a direct question:

Originally Posted by Randwolf
Would you kill to save you or your family's lives? Yes or no?

Only if attacked.

Personally I think anyone who believes violence is a solution should be requested to blow their brains out.
Originally Posted by Randwolf
Well, I don't see any reason not to follow your own advice - please tell me your preference of funeral flowers? Or perhaps you will simply decline to fulfill your own request?

Should we request that you blow your brains out? Will you grant our request?

You seem to meet the qualifications, at least under certain circumstances... How do you propose to wiggle out of this, other than by ignoring the question all together. :shrug:
 
It's usually not premeditated SAM - most soldiers encounter enemy combatants by surprise, and have to kill, and have to kill very quickly. Very similar to the conditions that you can comprehend in the analogy involving your immediate family.

So it would be alright for me to train in Sere for several weeks, learn advanced weapon handling and drop a bomb on a suspected neighborhood to defend my family as a non-premeditated way of defending myself? I assume once I dropped a few bombs on a few neighborhoods people may start "defending" themselves against me, and try to take me by surprise, hence making it even more necessary for me to preemptively bomb them?

You seem to meet the qualifications, at least under certain circumstances...
I'm attempting to distinguish between a reaction and a premeditated commitment to a violent career by volunteering to specialise in it
 
People who join the military typically couldn't cut it in a real, civilized profession that is designed for peaceful pursuits. Hence they embrace an occupation for the losers of life, one that embraces only destruction. Truth.
 
People who join the military typically couldn't cut it in a real, civilized profession that is designed for peaceful pursuits. Hence they embrace an occupation for the losers of life, one that embraces only destruction. Truth.

Typically some one who states something like this has statistics. Care to share?
 
It's a bullshit assertion on its face, of course, and can only be supported if you already believe the rest of the piss and vitriol he's been spewing throughout the thread.

Statistically, members of the US military are more or less a cross section of mainstream America. They do tend to be both better educated and more likely to come from wealthier backgrounds than their peers in civilian life, however.

Based on an understanding of the limitations of any objective definition of quality, this report compares military volunteers to the civilian population on four demographic characteristics: household income, education level, racial and ethnic background, and regional origin. This report finds that:

  1. U.S. military service disproportionately attracts enlisted personnel and officerswho do not come from disadvantaged backgrounds. Previous Heritage Foundation research demonstrated that the quality of enlisted troops has increased since the start of the Iraq war. This report demonstrates that the same is true of the officer corps.
  2. Members of the all-volunteer military are sig*nificantly more likely to come from high-income neighborhoods than from low-income neighborhoods. Only 11 percent of enlisted recruits in 2007 came from the poorest one-fifth (quintile) of neighborhoods, while 25 percent came from the wealthiest quintile. These trends are even more pronounced in the Army Reserve Officer Training Corps (ROTC) program, in which 40 percent of enrollees come from the wealthiest neighborhoods—a number that has increased substantially over the past four years.
  3. American soldiers are more educated than their peers. A little more than 1 percent of enlisted personnel lack a high school degree, compared to 21 percent of men 18–24 years old, and 95 percent of officer accessions have at least a bachelor’s degree.
  4. Contrary to conventional wisdom, minorities are not overrepresented in military service. Enlisted troops are somewhat more likely to be white or black than their non-military peers. Whites are proportionately represented in the officer corps, and blacks are overrepresented, but their rate of overrepresentation has declined each year from 2004 to 2007. New recruits are also disproportionately likely to come from the South, which is in line with the history of Southern military tradition.
The facts do not support the belief that many American soldiers volunteer because society offers them few other opportunities. The average enlisted person or officer could have had lucrative career opportunities in the private sector. Those who argue that American soldiers risk their lives because they have no other opportunities belittle the personal sacrifices of those who serve out of love for their country.
http://www.heritage.org/Research/NationalSecurity/cda08-05.cfm

edit: I have no idea what similar statistics from the other professional militaries of the world would look like, but my experience with allied forces (which has been varied and rather extensive) leads me to believe they are much the same.
 
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People who join the military typically couldn't cut it in a real, civilized profession that is designed for peaceful pursuits. Hence they embrace an occupation for the losers of life, one that embraces only destruction. Truth.

Evidence?
 
It's a bullshit assertion on its face, of course, and can only be supported if you already believe the rest of the piss and vitriol he's been spewing throughout the thread.

More educated? I doubt it. Approximately one third of the USA is university educated with a bachelor's or higher. The percentage of military personnel who reach that same bar is significantly lower. Also, that report is stating that more than a fifth of Americans 18-24 didn't graduate high school when the number is closer to 15% -- heavily influenced by minorities. So I guess that's a source of pride: the average military personnel is one step above drug dealers and prostitutes. :cool:
 
Sometimes soldiers are kinda like the flock of a religion. They are forgoing many things of themselves in order to become something larger than themselves.

Except they actually do something. The good and evil of it, is simply perspective.
 
So it would be alright for me to train in Sere for several weeks, learn advanced weapon handling ...

I'm not sure I understand this because SERE is Survival, Evasion, Resistance, & Escape. It is the training our Armed Forces participate in if they are in high risk fields. And, by high risk, I mean more likely to become a POW (Prisoner of War). They do NOT learn weapon handling.

And, this isn't WWII. We don't carpet bomb villages/towns to get one house anymore. We have precision guided munitions.

Am I to judge all Indians by your actions? Am I to judge all members of these forums by your actions? Are you an accurate representation of EVERYBODY in your vicinity?
 
Originally Posted by S.A.M.
So it would be alright for me to train in Sere for several weeks, learn advanced weapon handling ...
I'm not sure SAM I understand(s) this because SERE is Survival, Evasion, Resistance, & Escape.

Fixed... ;)

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Am I to judge all Indians by your actions? Am I to judge all members of these forums by your actions? Are you an accurate representation of EVERYBODY in your vicinity?
Thank [insert deity] no - she is rabid on this topic...
 
Nicely said in post #310, Echo3Romeo.

This entire thread is yet another trollfest from SAM. I'm glad that some members of the military are here to put her back in her box.
 
Marine Corps here. Still active duty, though not for too much longer. The joint service/allied military work I've done has been as a JTAC.

Don't tell me, you're already putting in the retirement paperwork?

If you haven't guessed, I'm active army.
 
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