Whats not to know?
well the material world is fulfilling fits purpose nicely, if that's what you mean to ask
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Bells
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It is less vague and arbitrary than "life".
When does a foetus become a person? Is an embryo a person? No.
We have Mordea's vague comment about it being "human", with no definition of what that entails. But is it human? One could say it (an embryo) has the ability to become a human. But so do human eggs and sperm. Yet no one blinks an eye when a woman menstruates or a man has a wet dream, for example. I see no one weeping here about the loss or destruction of potential humans each time women menstruate or a man has a wet dream. I don't see anyone weeping at the thought that human embryo's are formed and disposed of in laboratories for reproduction and scientific purposes on a daily basis. Nor do I see anyone lament the loss of life when a woman miscarries.. people who are not the mother and father normally shrug and say you can try again, it happens, etc.
But when does that potential human become a viable human and becomes a person? 18 weeks? No. 20 weeks? No. That happens when it becomes viable, in that it can survive outside of the womb and breath on its own. Usually around 25 weeks (if the stars align and the child is able to survive if the mother is pumped full of hormones to force its lungs to develop prior to delivery) to past 27 weeks.
So why do we put so much importance on "life" when it comes to abortion? Why is "life" suddenly that little bit more important when a woman aborts? Why is it less important when "life" is destroyed if a couple's frozen embryo's are destroyed in IVF procedures because the couple decide they have had enough children or there is something wrong with the embryo? No one is complaining about that? Yet that happens all the time. But abortion? She is called a murderer for making that choice.
Origionaly posted by cluelusshusbund
I dont know if he is or ant [pleased wit the way thangs are goin]... i guess it woud depend on his purpos for creatin us wit free will an whether his purpos has been forfilled... so what was his purpos for creatin us.??? ”
So Gods purpose for the material world includes children bein raped an murdered... are you also pleased wit the way the materal world is goin.???
I dont know if he is or ant [pleased wit the way thangs are goin]... i guess it woud depend on his purpos for creatin us wit free will an whether his purpos has been forfilled... so what was his purpos for creatin us.??? ”
So Gods purpose for the material world includes children bein raped an murdered... are you also pleased wit the way the materal world is goin.???
hardly
If a 5 year old can recognize a dead dog its a pretty level term
kind of like arguments of yesteryear that black people and natives could (perhaps) become "persons" if they could speak english or reach some other arbitrary criteria (which of course establishes the political status quo of the advocate)
If you've got to rape and murder, where else would you do it?
And who else to do it to except some other misaligned living entity who wants to opt out in the material world?
And where else better to do it in except some virtual world where all the before mentioned parties are projecting themselves?
And what better system to do it in except a world that brings repercussions that realign a person to a more well socialized view of things with each instance of going off the rails?
(But oh wait, I've got a better idea ... how about we just trash free will, which is an obvious defect, and live like dull stones ....)
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If a woman is raped should they be forced to raise said child and be constantly filled with the psychological torment for the rest of their lives? They have the right to an abortion.
To the five that answered "No, Wheres the Babys Rights? He/She is an American Too" I have this to say. They are not an American citizen. They have no records, nothing, they have no birth certificate. They aren't even a full baby during and before the abortion process...
To the five that answered "No, Wheres the Babys Rights? He/She is an American Too" I have this to say. They are not an American citizen. They have no records, nothing, they have no birth certificate. They aren't even a full baby during and before the abortion process...
Originally Posted by cluelusshusbund
So Gods purpose for the material world includes children bein raped an murdered... are you also pleased wit the way the materal world is goin.???
Do other animals have free will... or jus humans.???
So Gods purpose for the material world includes children bein raped an murdered... are you also pleased wit the way the materal world is goin.???
Do other animals have free will... or jus humans.???
Bells
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Can a 5 year old recognise an embryo as being alive on its own?
Of course, because coloured people and natives, who are born, breathing and alive is difficult to qualify as "person's" as opposed to an embryo.
What a strangely contradictory exclamation.
And I was accused of this?
So AFTER Birth, a mother can terminate the childs life as long as the umbilical cord is intact?
Fascinating.
what would you guys think if we were able to harvest an embryo, and grow it to maturity, in an artificial environment? that's not so far-fetched right?
and we could use these globs of human dna for slave labor, or test subjects, or to harvest organs and marrow.
where do you want to draw the line then?
and we could use these globs of human dna for slave labor, or test subjects, or to harvest organs and marrow.
where do you want to draw the line then?
oK... i see what you mean... an technically... yes.... but what i acutualy ment by "until the cord is cut" is... up until the baby is delivered.!!!
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Im agans slave labor... but test subjects an organ harvest woud be ok wit me if the process dont cause pane.!!!
wow. ok.
I saw a couple on tv a few days ago who had anuther child so they coud esctact bone marrow from it to save the life of ther other child... an it seems to have worked.!!!
Woud that be a no-no for you.???
not necessarily, but i sure as fuck wouldn't grow one in a test tube for it.
No.!!!
How com.???
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