Yeah... an ant all that perty much irrelevent in this discusson... sinse mos everbody here wants the final dicision to be up the woman.???
Everybody doesn't.
I think that's a big part of what causes the division to extremes. One feels they must get extreme to counter what they percieve as an extreme.'
Another problem is the lack of attainable definition. When does a fetus become conscious? Well, we can't determine that. We can only set a safe guess.
What about a parent that REALLY wants that child. Can a person imagine that loss? Should another person have the right to choose against that?
It's as simple as it is complex. In the end, one can only go by cold science.
If the undeveloped fetus has no consciousness, it is not a technical person. The fact it is MORE than a hair follicle is something that deserves respect. But it cannot be made into something it is not, either. For either side.
If it has no consciousness, the rights must go to the one that does. The mother. Since it has no consciousness, one cannot claim the father has a devout love for that child, as that child is not a personality. He must love the IDEA, not the actual child. Therefor, choice MUST be on the mother.
That is a finality that disregards the fact that there must be discussion between mother and father in order to enable the best decision she will make.
I think almost everyone can agree that once that development exceeds consciousness, it is too late to destroy.
It is too late to any longer claim the father has no say.
Drawing lines at birth or at 24 weeks or at 22 weeks is simply human labeling. We cannot truly KNOW when.
The pro life stance is one that feels that Once Development BEGINS, the choice has been made. This is an extreme, realistically. And I think it begs an extreme in return. But begging is not the same as wish granting. Those that argue pro choice can recognize the actuality without giving in to extremes.
I agree.
I am 1,000,000% against the extreme end who think abortion is wrong even if the mother might kill herself, even if she's 13, even if she conceived last week.
On the other hand...not even I'd argue in favour of, say, abortion at the 9th month..
Exactly. And this is the point I fumbled earlier in this thread. Sometimes, pro choice comes across as if they feel this way. It may not be accurate but when things are presented as such, it only gives pro life the advantage.