75 yr old woman gets breast implants

Beauty is important.
But beauty is not about cosmetics.

That's more of a bumper sticker, than reality. Some beauty is non-physical and sublime. A lot of beauty is physical. A person's soul can be beautiful, and so can a person's physical features. Most of those physical features can, in principle, be cosmetically improved. To say otherwise is simply to be disingenuous.

Cosmetics and plastic surgery sell very well, not just on Halloween, but year round, to people looking to make themselves more physically attractive. Some people fail, of course, but the robustness of the market suggests that most people have developed a certain trust in their ability to not fail. The longevity of the market suggests this must be a real effect, since if purchasers were mistaken in their belief, this market would not have existed for millennia.

Assuming you are sighted, I suppose there is a non-zero (but still unbelievably small) chance that you are nonetheless one of the few people who never found a person using such a cosmetic enhancement more attractive than you would have found them without the enhancement. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, of course, and subjective, but the experience of a vast majority of people on this planet is that physical attractiveness exists and matters in our personal relationships, and cosmetic enhancements on average work as intended.

One can lament that as unfortunate, but it's the heritage evolution has left us with.
 
Beautiful people make more money:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/beautiful-people-earn-12-more-than-ugly-bettys-461261.html

Researchers investigating whether there is a beauty premium to be had in the workplace have found that those they deemed the most attractive make 12 per cent more money than those regarded as less goodlooking. Average Joes and Joans have little to smile about either, with the moderately attractive taking home seven per cent less in earnings than the prettiest people.
 
Assuming you are sighted, I suppose there is a non-zero (but still unbelievably small) chance that you are nonetheless one of the few people who never found a person using such a cosmetic enhancement more attractive than you would have found them without the enhancement.

Then I guess I am that rare bird!


Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, of course, and subjective, but the experience of a vast majority of people on this planet is that physical attractiveness exists and matters in our personal relationships, and cosmetic enhancements on average work as intended.

Well, yes.


One can lament that as unfortunate, but it's the heritage evolution has left us with.

I am part of the evolution.
 
I am that rare bird!

Then I assume, if you date, you give equal time to the old folks as you do to the young firm-bodied people of the world.

Evolution is not, alas, an "onward and upward" process (certainly not in the moral sense). Since physical beauty and youth are well correlated with reproductive health, I don't think there any significant selective pressures that would favor the trait of being indifferent to physicality at this time. You could probably change that by doing a full genetic profile on every mate you select.

I am not sure I believe you are as "sensitive" as you claim, but if you were it would raise questions like "How can you appreciate any physical beauty, like painting, or a sunset (or do you get no aesthetic pleasure from those either)?" One might also speculate that you are consistently unshaven, consistently wear only the most sensible clothes (on a cost-benefit basis) and generally do not keep up your own physical appearance, since it matters so little to you.

I would expect the more likely explanation for why one was insensitive to physical beauty would be "brain trauma" or "genetic defect" than something positive, but maybe you are the vanguard of homo sapiens turpissimus.
 
I am not sure I believe you are as "sensitive" as you claim, but if you were it would raise questions like "How can you appreciate any physical beauty, like painting, or a sunset (or do you get no aesthetic pleasure from those either)?" One might also speculate that you are consistently unshaven, consistently wear only the most sensible clothes (on a cost-benefit basis) and generally do not keep up your own physical appearance, since it matters so little to you.

I appreciate beauty, I just don't consider it "physical."
I have many "aesthetic" pleasures, thank you.

Physical appearance is definitely something to take care of, and I try to do so. But I do so because I take it as a reflection of my character. I don't try to be beautiful. I make an effort to be dilligent, happy, competent: and I think my external appearance reflects when I am that, and when I am not.


And I'm a she, by the way.
 
For me, attractiveness is generally all about the brain.
The body is attractive or not due to the brain that happens to be using it as a life-support and communications platform
 
Assuming you are sighted, I suppose there is a non-zero (but still unbelievably small) chance that you are nonetheless one of the few people who never found a person using such a cosmetic enhancement more attractive than you would have found them without the enhancement.

Then I assume, if you date, you give equal time to the old folks as you do to the young firm-bodied people of the world.
Can I just point out that statement doesn't follow on. You talk of cosmetic enhancements affecting beauty, not age or the actual differing natural beauty of people.
 
IMO, it's their right just like having earrings or a nose ring is my right.

Why anyone would purposely get large breasts is beyond me though. Enjoy having back pain and not being able to go out in public without some mindless young trash yelling and leering at you...oh wait, they do that even if you're 150 kilograms and look gross all over...
 
IMO, it's their right just like having earrings or a nose ring is my right.

Why anyone would purposely get large breasts is beyond me though. Enjoy having back pain and not being able to go out in public without some mindless young trash yelling and leering at you...oh wait, they do that even if you're 150 kilograms and look gross all over...

Funny that you single out breast implants.

I'm sure there are plenty of people that would say similar things about your earrings or nose ring (which I assume you have).
 
Can I just point out that statement doesn't follow on. You talk of cosmetic enhancements affecting beauty, not age or the actual differing natural beauty of people.

Age definitely affects most people's assessments of physical beauty, and cosmetic changes people make very often target visible signs of aging. Ceteris paribus, a significantly older version of a given person is very likely to be judged less attractive by most people than a younger version.

We can deplore it, but the standard of beauty is not and has never been a senior citizen, no matter how much wisdom and inner beauty he or she may have developed over the years.
 
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you know the horniest people.

IMO, that behaviour is not about horniness. It's more about reinforcing that you are heterosexual as well as showing you don't care about social boundaries which is a way of being 'hard' or 'cool'..

I mean...that's not how you solve horniness. When does leering or screaming sexual appraisals at someone actually lead to you having sex with them? If someone was really horny they'd go to the bathroom and take care of the issue by themselves...
 
Funny that you single out breast implants.

I'm sure there are plenty of people that would say similar things about your earrings or nose ring (which I assume you have).

My piercings do not cause routine pain or inconvenience, or attract sexual attention from yobs and morons and others who don't deserve the term human...
 
Age definitely affects most people's assessments of physical beauty, and cosmetic changes people make very often target visible signs of aging. Ceteris paribus, a significantly older version of a given person is very likely to be judged less attractive by most people than a younger version.

We can deplore it, but the standard of beauty is not and has never been a senior citizen, no matter how much wisdom and inner beauty he or she may have developed over the years.

Of course, but your original statement wasn't talking about age, it was talking about prefering people without cosmetic "enhancement". I've seen many women who looked good, only for them to slap on the makeup and ruin it. :shrug:
 
Of course, but your original statement wasn't talking about age, it was talking about prefering people without cosmetic "enhancement". I've seen many women who looked good, only for them to slap on the makeup and ruin it. :shrug:

That can happen, just as some people get breast implants or other plastic surgery that makes them look freakish. But as I said, on average, cosmetic changes improve appearance. That's why people have been using them for thousands of years.
 
IMO, that behaviour is not about horniness. It's more about reinforcing that you are heterosexual as well as showing you don't care about social boundaries which is a way of being 'hard' or 'cool'..

I mean...that's not how you solve horniness. When does leering or screaming sexual appraisals at someone actually lead to you having sex with them? If someone was really horny they'd go to the bathroom and take care of the issue by themselves...

I have no idea. I've never had that problem. Maybe we just haven't gone to the same locales. :shrug:
 
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