yeah they did. they only managed to stay their for maybe a month or two and no major battles took place but they did enter Israel.
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yeah they did. they only managed to stay their for maybe a month or two and no major battles took place but they did enter Israel.
Where did they enter into Israel 1948? Which part?
south western and northern
Could you give me a link? I did not come across this in my readings
Anyway my claim was that all wars have been started by Israel. The Nakba started in September 1947 and it took six months for the neighboring Arab countries to realise that Palestinians were being dispossessed and come forward to try and help them. The Arab armies were a response to the ethnic cleansing.
Update on the Gaza Freedom Flotilla:
Also, looks like the US has eased off on Egypt:
Guess Israelis are unwilling to die for the Gaza blockade after all.
Anyway my claim was that all wars have been started by Israel. The Nakba started in September 1947 and it took six months for the neighboring Arab countries to realise that Palestinians were being dispossessed and come forward to try and help them. The Arab armies were a response to the ethnic cleansing.
Update on the Gaza Freedom Flotilla:
Also, looks like the US has eased off on Egypt:
Guess Israelis are unwilling to die for the Gaza blockade after all.
some news on Emily Henochowicz, the 21 year old art student who joined the palestinian protests about the Israeli attack on the aid flotilla who was shot in the eye with a tear gas canister. it looks like she was shot because she was holding a turkish flag. hell even an Israeli reporter for Haaretz felt the reason she was shot was because of the flag.
http://mondoweiss.net/2010/06/emily-henochowicz-was-shot-while-holding-turkish-flag.html#more-20410
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/eyewitness-account-how-emily-lost-an-eye-1.294997
http://mondoweiss.net/2010/06/emily-henochowicz-was-shot-while-holding-turkish-flag.html#more-20410
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/eyewitness-account-how-emily-lost-an-eye-1.294997
The agents of ethnic cleansing, I think you mean, since skirmishing went on for years and years prior to that. Then again, I'm given to understand that you think Jewish people's natural habitat is tiny, cramped ghettoes, so perhaps you're not the best speaker on this issue.
This is what is termed hyperbole, or at worst a lie. The protestors were at least 100 yards away from the troops that fired tear gas. Are you suggesting she was deliberately shot (in the eye, even) from a probable 100 yards away because she raised a Turkish flag? Do you have any conception how hard it is to hit someone with a tear gas cannister? The connection is simply not there. Propaganda.
No she was 10 to 15 yards away. I would like to know what part of your ass you pulled 100 yards from
no I'm claiming she was selibrately shot at from no more than 15 yards away
while not an easy shot it is a no more difficult shot than using a grenade launcher under neither a rifle. from 15 yards by a trained soldiers a moderate shot at best.
So the Haartz reporter is lying? Sorry it is far more likely you don't like the fact your precious Israelis acted like the brutal thugs they are. read both links.
Richard Silverstein has posted a "smoking gun" video of an Israeli executing a passenger on the Mavi Marmara after kicking him. Its alleged that the victim is 19 year-old Turkish-American high school student Furkan Dogan but honestly I cannot make out. I will load the video into moviemaker and see if I can see better after adjusting light and contrast
You can see the video here:
http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2010/06/10/idf-executed-mavi-marmara-victims/
Democracy Now has released smuggled footage from the flotilla raid
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/6/10/exclusive_journalist_smuggles_out_video_of
The link also contains more eyewitness testimony from filmmaker and activist Iara Lee
Also it seems six of the bodies are missing, probably they bear wounds which don't match the Israeli hasbara
http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2010/06/05/18649925.php
You can see the video here:
http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2010/06/10/idf-executed-mavi-marmara-victims/
Democracy Now has released smuggled footage from the flotilla raid
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/6/10/exclusive_journalist_smuggles_out_video_of
The link also contains more eyewitness testimony from filmmaker and activist Iara Lee
Also it seems six of the bodies are missing, probably they bear wounds which don't match the Israeli hasbara
http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2010/06/05/18649925.php
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"alleged" execution, I'm sure you meant to say...
Its on tape. you can see what happened and its clearly an execution of a downed person.
It's not at all clear what's happening in that video, and it's obviously been edited.
The footage from Democracy Now doesn't show anything that contradicts the Israeli story. We saw the helicopter, but she went below deck after that. Yes, they treated the Israeli soldier, but who injured him and under what circumstances? She made an unsupported statement about their ammo. How does she know what ammo they had when? She was down below.
Interestingly, one activist was holding a slingshot. I guess they were prepared for violence too.
The footage from Democracy Now doesn't show anything that contradicts the Israeli story. We saw the helicopter, but she went below deck after that. Yes, they treated the Israeli soldier, but who injured him and under what circumstances? She made an unsupported statement about their ammo. How does she know what ammo they had when? She was down below.
Interestingly, one activist was holding a slingshot. I guess they were prepared for violence too.
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Spider is right. Its not very clear what is going on.
Your choice of the word "activist" is interesting and rather alarming without the "peace" qualifier. See below.
If you can see nothing else, you can clearly see the Israeli kicking the victim, holding a gun with both hands and shooting the victim in the head. Slow it down in full screen - the victims face may be blocked by the railing, but the Israeli is clearly visible.
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You couldn't see the victims. But there was that bit where they were kicking someone in the corner and then taking aim and shooting.
That part was clear. So in that piece at least, it puts to question that they only shot to defend themselves.
So it's probably not him, then.
I looked at the first video: there's a flash in the first one, but not in the second. There's also no recoil. What weapon is that?
I fisked the Democracy now vid: It's odd that with a "shoot to kill" policy, they only shot ten people. They came to kill...but only got 10 people with their massive numbers of submachineguns and machine guns and autocannons and so forth.
Iara Lee didn't know there was going to be "this level of violence" and seems a bit disconnected about the reaction of the passengers. "Their trademark is silence" - they silently came in spraying bullets? With muzzle flashes 'suppressed out' by the Israeli censors. Right. The women were told to go downstairs; how does this jive with Bells' Boadicea battering balaclaved bozos with beach chairs? The explosion heard is doubtless a flash-bang.
"In our ship they came to kill" - totally unfounded. In our ship your passengers attacked them and they fought back.
37:20 patent propaganda. We were only planning peaceful resistance...except for that hate rally the day previous, and the fortuitously pulled-off metal "sticks" that were in surprising abundance. There must be a lot of metal sticks just lying around on Turkish boats. Strikes me as an operation hazard (whether from being tripped on, or maybe even ), but different merchant navies have different rules, I guess.
38:32 progandish, disingenuous. "They came to kill, they came to take over the ship" - so they only did that on your ship...where the passengers, in a complete accident of chance, mobbed the Israeli commandos with metal pipes and knives?
Iara Lee, you are overrated, lass.
41:01 - anchor loses mind completely. "How did it look like daylight?" Are you fucking serious, lad? Night vision, perhaps? Not to mention the video taken on board by a cell phone showing the attackers doing the same thing with lots of pitch-black night around.
41:46 Interesting contrast here - "we had the opportunity to kill the commandos" but didn't. Really? I thought there was no resistance.
42:30 - "Hundreds of witnesses". Yes. Hundreds of completely biased witnesses, if Lee et al are any guide. It defies belief that they really think that it happened as they describe. It's like UFO buffs, without the equanimty or sense of perspective.
45:38 - "it was premeditated". Possibly. What was also premeditated was the attack on the commandos. Fair is fair. Not so?
48:32 - "Turkish president sent planes to evacuate us".
I was also interested that the hosts thought it was important to mention the Israeli officers that denounced the raid. We should expect all Israelis to think the same way?
Amateurish. It's frightening to me to have massive private media organizations hanging about, deciding what we can see, but this is almost more frightening because the bias in these guys is immediately apparent except to the unintrospective. It takes away our ability to be actually informed about the issues and relegated 'reality' to a crew of one-siders that present themselves as grassroots. Sorry; nothing grassroots about rooting for extremists.
Now, this takes nothing away from the tragedy; it is genuinely horrible, and punishment needs to be dealt out - but let's be honest for a change about the blame for the fallout. Sorry if this tromps on people's feelings, but there are too many holes in Democracy Now's story (one wonders if anything's been edited out or "forgotten") and, besides: genuine is genuine.
(And I loved Sam's instant assertion that they were thrown off the boat.)
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Impressive fisking, but Democracy Now is not the institution under scrutiny here. That convoy was bristling with cameras, and not with weapons to ambush hapless commandos, or arm Hamas. In what little we can see, we can see that cameras were everywhere during the boarding, the non-lethal capture of Israeli commandos, and during killings of activists by Israeli soldiers. Where are all the many videos and images of these scenes, and why only a trickle of smuggled evidence of what happened? Fisk Israel.
And iron "sticks".
Demonstrably false, Hype.
Non-lethal as in beating them with iron "sticks"?
Lacking only circumstances and certainty. Let's pause for a second here and ask ourselves, too: when did the shootings start? Before or after fifty passengers tried to turn the Israeli commandos into teacups with their magic wands?
First, it isn't a trickle: that's weasel language. Second: we've examined quite a lot of them. You can honestly sit there and tell me you didn't see them? Smoke got in your eyes?
which really goes to show that the according to Israel the bloodthirsty activist looking to cause harm went out of their way to see that the Israelis were given medical care while the peace loving armed to the teeth Israel commandoes made sure the activist didn't receive medical attention
talking about irony, hypocrisy, and orwellian doublespeak at its finest
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