Zionist piracy

[nirakar]

But even police officers have jurisdiction. Can an American police officer come into an Indian reservation and beat up or chase or kill a suspect? Whats so hard to figure out about international waters?

It's been done. Some really crazy stuff has been done on the reservations.

 

[Mr.Spock]

What the protestors should have done was paint pretty peace signs and pink neon hearts all over the vessel. They should have been sitting on board in a circle singing kumbaya while someone dosed them all on acid. They also could have had Bjork greet the soldiers while wearing her pink swan dress.

I mean come on there were some agitators on board who did try and use deadly force but that doesn't mean that the majority on board were not really peaceful protesters who wanted to just give their chocolate bunnies to the children of Gaza.

You know exactly like me that if thats what they did no one would get killed. They ignored the warnings, refused to have their ship reviewed by the Army and attacked the soldiers, Thy even stole their guns and started to shoot.

If they wanted to bring aid to the Palestinians they wouldn't send so many people and so little aid.

 

[pjdude1219]

You know, I'm not even sure if that's Gaza to be honest... I just looked up riot pictures.

In any case, I still stand by what I said about the Israeli boarding party on the ship. I saw the video, from many different angles, and what I saw was clear as day... even though the footage was taken at night... and that was protesters attacking the men before they even touched down onto the ship. I saw them wielding pipes, chairs, and knives, battering and attempting to kill a bunch of guys armed primarily with paint ball guns. Nobody had to die, absolutely nobody. But the people on board that ship pushed the soldiers into a corner that left them with no choice but to fight back or die. People who were supposedly on a mission of mercy on board a ship of peace.

Just sayin'...



If you've ever been shot with a paint ball gun, you would know why they're effective crowd control. They're better than rubber bullets too, especially at close range, because there's a significantly lesser chance of causing permanent injury or death (of course getting shot in the eyes or throat is still dangerous but that's true of just about any projectile) tasers aren't a wise decision because they're out at sea. Electricity and water do not mix.

In short: Paint ball guns are actually ideal for this sort of mission because they're effective and non-life threatening. They're also quieter than rubber/bean bag shotguns which makes them even more ideal for usage inside a closed in area like a ship's corridors.

As for other loads... I'm not sure, though I don't see why they couldn't load rubber balls instead of paint balls... as long as they're the same diameter they should fire just the same. Plus, they would only be going at the same velocity as the paint balls would, which means they would still maintain the same non-lethal characteristics for the most part.

well in that case your full of shit just sayin'

 

[Black Jack]

What the protestors should have done was paint pretty peace signs and pink neon hearts all over the vessel. They should have been sitting on board in a circle singing kumbaya while someone dosed them all on acid. They also could have had Bjork greet the soldiers while wearing her pink swan dress.

I mean come on there were some agitators on board who did try and use deadly force but that doesn't mean that the majority on board were not really peaceful protesters who wanted to just give their chocolate bunnies to the children of Gaza.

and I agree, I'm not saying that EVERYBODY on board was violent, but there were enough to cause a riot on the ship which quickly overwhelmed the soldiers almost immediately. Most of the people on board probably didn't even realize what was going on. If all 600 passengers had fought back against the soldiers, I'm positive that nothing could have saved them.

 

[pjdude1219]

You know exactly like me that if thats what they did no one would get killed. They ignored the warnings, refused to have their ship reviewed by the Army and attacked the soldiers, Thy even stole their guns and started to shoot.

If they wanted to bring aid to the Palestinians they wouldn't send so many people and so little aid.

So your claiming Israel never attacks unarmed protesters? they still probably been shot if they didn't try and defend themselves.

 

[pjdude1219]

and I agree, I'm not saying that EVERYBODY on board was violent, but there were enough to cause a riot on the ship which quickly overwhelmed the soldiers almost immediately. Most of the people on board probably didn't even realize what was going on. If all 600 passengers had fought back against the soldiers, I'm positive that nothing could have saved them.

Why not if you have ever been on ship you'd know space is rather limited. its easy to prevent people all coming at you at once.

 

[Mr.Spock]

So your claiming Israel never attacks unarmed protesters? they still probably been shot if they didn't try and defend themselves.

If we wanted to attack them there wouldnt be only 9 bodies out of 600. Trying to demonize jews wont change the facts. If we wanted to hurt them we could have done so easily.

 

[Black Jack]

well in that case your full of shit just sayin'

Gee, it's as though something I said earlier was absolutely true...

You know... I'm starting to think that pjdude1219 is just trolling... I mean... it's the only thing I can think of to explain why he would disregard the obvious and stick to such obvious logical fallacies.

Except now instead of just perpetuating obvious logical fallacies, and going "NUH-UH" when presented with... well... ANY evidence whatsoever, you're resorting to using my own cheeky comments on myself accompanied with harsh language.

I'm not sure if that's a step forward for you or not...

Why not if you have ever been on ship you'd know space is rather limited. its easy to prevent people all coming at you at once.

and there it is again! Yes, I have been aboard -a few- ships. Including a retired battleship where space is rather lacking. If there are 600 assailants, I'm pretty sure they could have very easily killed every one of the commandos if they were determined enough to. They probably would never have even made it inside the ship, where they would have been overwhelmed anyhow. The best they would be able to do in such a situation would be to lock themselves in a room, barricade the doors shut, and hope that help (hopefully armed with some real weapons) arrived on time. It isn't like 300 where "their numbers count for nothing" because they don't have unlimited ammunition, and their only truly deadly weapon is a pistol.

Either way, it doesn't matter because all 600 people on board didn't attack them.

 

[pjdude1219]

If we wanted to attack them there wouldnt be only 9 bodies out of 600.

not if you wanted to succesfuly lie about it

Trying to demonize jews wont change the facts.

I'm not Israel's thugery is well know. there is a reason they have a reputation for attacking peaceful protesters it because they have. and the facts stand that this was self defense against a brutal raid.

If we wanted to hurt them we could have done so easily.

true as Miss Henochowicz found out when she left her left eye behind in your shit hole of a country.

 

[pjdude1219]

Gee, it's as though something I said earlier was absolutely true...

you mean false right?

Except now instead of just perpetuating obvious logical fallacies, and going "NUH-UH" when presented with... well... ANY evidence whatsoever, you're resorting to using my own cheeky comments on myself accompanied with harsh language.

I'm not sure if that's a step forward for you or not...

You nice attempt at trolling but my sparring with buffalo as pretty much made sure I won't give a reaction. Your facts aren't.

 

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

So your claiming Israel never attacks unarmed protesters? they still probably been shot if they didn't try and defend themselves.

PJ just think for a minute. If the Israeli soldiers just wanted to kill those on board they didn't need to go to all the trouble of boarding the ship. All they had to do was sink the vessels. They didn't intend to kill anyone. People died because there were as usual those few who decided to engage violently with the soldiers which turned their mission into a disaster.

Its actually a good metaphor for what has gone wrong for the Palestinians in general.

 

[Black Jack]

you mean false right?

There it is again, you simply say "nuh-uh" whenever somebody says something you disagree with.

Plus, I'm pretty sure your profile has the most damning evidence against you...

Interests
.... taunting the right wing, defending liberalism from the unfounded attacks from the right

You basically state right in your profile that you like taunting the "right wing" (a term which I find laughable because you believe the left-right political spectrum fallacy) which is essentially trolling, and defending liberalism from the unfounded attacks from the right. I hope you realize just how much that sounds like you're defending some sort of religion, and not a set of political policies. Especially since you seem to do so without ever really establishing your own set of values or beliefs, rather you just adopt whatever "the left" (still makes me giggle) seems to endorse.

 

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

You know exactly like me that if thats what they did no one would get killed. They ignored the warnings, refused to have their ship reviewed by the Army and attacked the soldiers, Thy even stole their guns and started to shoot.

If they wanted to bring aid to the Palestinians they wouldn't send so many people and so little aid.

Do you know how much aid did they have with them? And what's with all the marbles and stuffed animals?

 

[pjdude1219]

PJ just think for a minute. If the Israeli soldiers just wanted to kill those on board they didn't need to go to all the trouble of boarding the ship. All they had to do was sink the vessels.

Their evil not stupid. They could pretend to be victims if they did that.

They didn't intend to kill anyone.

Right yes they went in with live ammo in SMG's but they didn't intend to kill anyone

People died because there were as usual those few who decided to engage violently with the soldiers which turned their mission into a disaster.

No they died because Israeli soldiers aimed guns at them and pulled the trigger while they defended them selves. You can't ignore what you dislike simply because its ugly.

Its actually a good metaphor for what has gone wrong for the Palestinians in general.

Really because it seem more like a metaphor with whats wrong with ISrael and its supporters.

 

[pjdude1219]

There it is again, you simply say "nuh-uh" whenever somebody says something you disagree with.

Plus, I'm pretty sure your profile has the most damning evidence against you...



You basically state right in your profile that you like taunting the "right wing" (a term which I find laughable because you believe the left-right political spectrum fallacy) which is essentially trolling, and defending liberalism from the unfounded attacks from the right. I hope you realize just how much that sounds like you're defending some sort of religion, and not a set of political policies. Especially since you seem to do so without ever really establishing your own set of values or beliefs, rather you just adopt whatever "the left" (still makes me giggle) seems to endorse.

You don't know the first fucking thing about me. Quit pretending your not pulling shit out of your ass.

 

[Mr.Spock]

not if you wanted to succesfuly lie about it

So we risked our soldiers life for the sole reason to kill them and lie about it.

That only makes sense to someone that deosnt understand what human life means to some people.

 

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

PJ only plastic soldiers carry plastic guns with no bullets. These are real soldiers. Know the guy who you pass at the airport who is just standing around wearing a uniform and carrying a firearm? He's got real bullets too and if you come attempted to rush him with a bunch of your friends wielding a crow bar then a bunch of other guys who were just standing around wearing a uniform and carrying a firearm will shoot some of you. I am not ignoring anything PJ, I think the whole thing was a muck up but your reasoning doesn't make any sense. If the Israeli, one of the best trained, strongest military units in the world had wanted to kill all those protestors they could have done so. What in your opinion would be the reason they would want to kill the passengers? Doesn't it make sense that they had only wanted to seize the aid contents in the vessels and send the protestors back home?

 

[pjdude1219]

So we risked our soldiers life for the sole reason to kill them and lie about it.

sounds like the ISrael we all know and love

That only makes sense to someone that deosnt understand what human life means to some people.

Wrong to genocidial freak. I understand what human life means. IT is against mine religion to harm any living creature. The jag off who made a death threat against me has the audacity to lecature me about the value of human life.I know what it means to take a life I say what I say about you and Israel because your own actions and statements show you don't.

 

[nirakar]

Do you know how much aid did they have with them? And what's with all the marbles and stuffed animals?

Their cargo barely mattered. Getting Egypt to temporarily halt the blockade mattered. Putting the media spotlight on the policy of collective punishment mattered. That only partially worked because Israel and it's allied media spinners have been quite skillful at diverting the spotlight away from the "collective punishment" issue.

 

[Black Jack]

You don't know the first fucking thing about me. Quit pretending your not pulling shit out of your ass.

I don't have to know anything about you, because you're as transparent as glass! You've done absolutely nothing so far to prove anything I've said about you is false.

All you're doing is simply refuting any argument you disagree with by either saying the exact opposite of what the other person said, or simply disregarding anything that person said altogether.

Don't be mad just because I hit the nail on the head.