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Hamas has not done any of the above. Certainly not number 1-3

1. Change the rhetoric:

2. Request a different mediator:

Since Israel refuses to talk to Hamas it is Hamas that mediates with Egypt, with Turkey, with Germany even with Shin Bet to forward its opinions. Not only mediation with Israel but also with the Fatah faction. It is due to Hamas presence in Syria that Damascus intervenes not due to Israel.

3. See chart in Nancy's article above. Almost all ceasefire requests are by Hamas and all long term ceasefires are broken by Israel

There is no tactical advantage to Hamas to firing rockets. They have killed only 16 people in Israel in the last decade with mortars and rockets not even 2 people a year. Its not worth it.

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You're the one who hasn't done the legwork, there is no

Stop presuming that you've done the leg work and I haven't, I stated what I did because I knew it was correct.

Here's a brief on embargo laws: http://www.globalpolicy.org/component/content/article/202/42346.html

I also briefed the law of the seas: http://www.un.org/Depts/los/convention_agreements/texts/unclos/closindx.htm

Perhaps Yale is up to your exceedingly high standards of describing international law, here's a brief from a professor on the matter.

"The real hardships of capture at sea, to which a large part of the world is not, even now, reconciled, are those affecting neutrals. If an enemy's ship at sea contains neutral cargo, the neutral must submit to have his goods taken into port for adjudication, and must of course forego opportunities of obtaining a favourable market, though his goods are not liable to capture."

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/int05.asp

So can you provide evidence that this 19th century precedent has been modified in regards to embargo?

I'll ask...can you show one single document at all which implies guilt for boarding a ship outside of prescribed borders in the case of a blockade? I doubt it. The burden of proof is upon you.

I will also take some offense to your "sideline cheerleader" comment; I live in Israel 2 months out of the year...you're a side line instigator.

I thought earlier in this thread you were going on about how international law was irrelevant. You sure you're doing Israel any favours here with the way you selectively defend them all the time? Well here it is for everyone to judge as they wish:

I never understand what this "illegal" means. Illegal according to who?

Israel did not sign the Law of the Sea Convention, so any laws it states...Israel is not held responsible to. :p This idea of "international law" is silly. Btw, Turkey didn't sign it either
 
Anywho, back to the actual topic..

The UN Human Rights Council is expected to vote on a draft resolution Wednesday afternoon, on whether to send an international committee to investigate the circumstances surrounding Israel's operation on the Gaza-bound aid flotilla.

The draft resolution, sponsored by Arab states, harshly condemns Israel and says Israel violated international law when it took over the ships in the middle of the ocean. The resolution also calls on Israel to lift the blockade on Gaza and to supply immediate humanitarian aid to Gaza, in the forms of food, gas, and medications.

The last clause of the draft resolution calls for an independent fact-finding mission to investigate international law violations, as a result of an Israeli attack on a humanitarian aid flotilla.

The resolution is similar to the one the UNHRC decided upon after Israel's Operation Cast Lead to establish the Goldstone committee, which ultimately published a damning report accusing Israel of war crimes.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/unhrc-expected-to-announce-gaza-flotilla-probe-1.293735
 
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It seems a better alternative than to wait for annihilation. Moreover, if Palestinians claimed the moral high ground, they may get more international support. One major sticking point to a solution is the US's unwavering support of Israel no matter how much it flouts international law and basic standards of human decency.

They already have the moral high ground. They would need to find a way to dramatize that fact. Yes they will have to be peaceful but that is not enough. They must die. 10,000 should go on a suicide march to Meggiddo or die trying to get there and kill themselves once they get there. Nothing less than that will break through to the American and Israeli sense of justice.

That's a separate issue, isn't it? The Palestinians will have to sort that out for themselves once they have borders that actually permit real trade.

I don't think it is a separate issue. What does Gaza have to trade? Can Gaza become Rio de Janeiro or Singapore? I don't think so. So if they can't get some of their land back how are they supposed to feed themselves? 16 people per acre of semi-desert land does not work agriculturally.
 
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It seems a better alternative than to wait for annihilation. Moreover, if Palestinians claimed the moral high ground, they may get more international support. One major sticking point to a solution is the US's unwavering support of Israel no matter how much it flouts international law and basic standards of human decency.

but just taking the abuse and doing nothing about can have serious negative effects on the psyche of the people absorbing the abuse. these kinds of futile efforts could very likely be a sign of the psychological strain placed on the palestinian people due to the abuse heaped on them and the support (or at least the refusal to stop it) they get from other countries. while not a perfect anaolgy look at how kids who are bullied and their psychological states.
 
@Sam (in regards to post#661)

Israel refused to talk to Hamas because of this:

Hamas's 1988 charter calls for the replacement of Israel and the Palestinian Territories with an Islamic Palestinian state. However, Hamas did not mention that goal in its electoral manifesto during the January 2006 election campaign, though the manifesto did call for maintaining the armed struggle against the Israeli occupation of the Palestinian Territories

We will never recognize the usurper Zionist government and will continue our jihad-like movement until the liberation of Jerusalem.

—Ismail Haniyeh, political leader of Hama

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas


Requesting a different mediator doesn't mean asking those who cannot mediate on your behalf because of their bias (Syria). They need a mediator who is far removed from the situation.

The ceasefire you speak of was broken over ONE person, as you know a pacifist strategy mean no violence ESPECIALLY if you are being goaded into it. The fact that Hamas is so easily goaded is a sign of weakness not their strength.

Meanwhile back at the ranch this is the issue with Hamas:

On April 21, 2008, former US President Jimmy Carter met with Hamas Leader Khaled Meshal and reached an agreement that Hamas would respect the creation of a Palestinian state in the territory seized by Israel in the Six-Day War of 1967, provided this be ratified by the Palestinian people in a referendum. Hamas later publicly offered a long-term hudna with Israel if Israel agreed to return to its 1967 borders and to grant the "right of return" to all Palestinian refugees. Israel has not responded to the offer.[44][45] In November, 2008 Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh, de jure Prime Minister of the Palestinian Authority and de facto prime minister in Gaza, stated that Hamas was willing to accept a Palestinian state within the 1949 armistice lines, and offered Israel "a long-term hudna, or truce, if Israel recognized the Palestinians' national rights."
Israel rejects the truce offers that Hamas has made, due to doubt of the likelihood of a truce with Hamas holding.The New York Times's Steven Erlanger contends that Hamas excludes the possibility of permanent reconciliation with Israel. "Since the Prophet Muhammad made a temporary hudna, or truce, with the Jews about 1,400 years ago, Hamas allows the idea. But no one in Hamas says he would make a peace treaty with Israel or permanently give up any part of Palestine.".[49] Mkhaimer Abusada, a political scientist at Al Azhar University writes that Hamas talks "of hudna, not of peace or reconciliation with Israel. They believe over time they will be strong enough to liberate all historic Palestine. (from the same link)

You see Sam it is very doubtful that Hamas has an agenda of peace when peace for them means removing jews from Israel proper. In short they cannot be trusted or rather their efforts cannot be trusted. The suggestions I provided would states that Hamas needs to re-define themselves and they have yet to do that in between sending rocket into Israel, whether they hit anyone or not, or having citizens blow themselves up. They need to reinvent themselves if they are to be perceived as wanting real peace. As it stands now the EU, Japan, Canada the US and Israel itself classifies Hamas as a terrorist organization. Even the IRA knew they had to show they were changing from a military operation to a political one by handing over all their arsenal and not using violent retaliation (EVER) and guess what….It worked. The day Gerry Adams walked into no. 10 Downing Street and sat at the same table across from his 'enemies' the IRA legitimatized themselves. Hamas has made no such efforts.

You cannot claim to care for the Palestinian cause and pretend that Israel is a nation of 'hate' and not recognize that Hamas is an organization of hate. You cannot support Hamas at all if what you care about is peace and working towards human rights and civil rights for the palestinian people. You would support Hamas though if your goal is having Israel removed and replaced with Palestine. In short you are not interested in peace you are interested in one side usurping the other. I feel sorry for the Palestinian people.

So in short you have failed to prove that they have followed even one of those suggestions.
 
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Hamas has changed its position, requested and maintained ceasefires, agreed to a truce and refrained from violence. Israel has not.

Thats the bottom line. Actions speak louder than words on a charter
 
It seems a better alternative than to wait for annihilation. Moreover, if Palestinians claimed the moral high ground, they may get more international support.

Waiting patiently means that they will be ignored.
There are over two million people in the Darfur camps. 300,000 people have died in them. They are still growing.
How much do you hear about them? Who speaks for them now?
 
How much do you hear about them? Who speaks for them now?

George Clooney, Angelina Jolie and god help them Mia Farrow.

Nothing happens in Darfur because there is no political will for anything to happen in Darfur. By the time the UN gets its shit together the whole catastrophe would be over.
 
Hamas has changed its position, requested and maintained ceasefires, agreed to a truce and refrained from violence. Israel has not.

Thats the bottom line. Actions speak louder than words on a charter

Actions like sending rockets into Israel because of the death of one palestinian is not only strategically stupid but yes as you say speaks volumes. They are not interested on building the very difficult path to peace. The following speaks VOLUMES and shows your statement of their newly found 'peaceful' intentions and 'reinventing' themselves as pure horse shit! They should have the balls to really do it, just like the IRA did. Their actions of handing over their arsenal and not responding to violence with violence in the interest of a peace settlement was real. Hamas is bullshit! Read the following and pretend if you wish, that Hamas has turned a new leaf when in 2008 Hamas makes statements like this "their fate is their vanishing'. The truth in black and white can hurt sometimes:

The Hamas Charter (1988)

Article 7 of the Hamas Covenant provides the following quotation, attributed to Mohammed:

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews."


Article 22 claims that the French revolution, the Russian revolution, colonialism and both world wars were created by the Zionists or forces supportive of Zionism:

"You may speak as much as you want about regional and world wars. They were behind World War I, when they were able to destroy the Islamic Caliphate, making financial gains and controlling resources. They obtained the Balfour Declaration, formed the League of Nations through which they could rule the world. They were behind World War II, through which they made huge financial gains by trading in armaments, and paved the way for the establishment of their state. It was they who instigated the replacement of the League of Nations with the United Nations and the Security Council to enable them to rule the world through them. There is no war going on anywhere, without having their finger in it."

Article 32 of the Covenant refers to an antisemitic forgery, The Protocols of the

Elders of Zion:

"Today it is Palestine, tomorrow it will be one country or another. The Zionist plan is limitless. After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying."

Statements by Hamas leaders and clerics associated with Hamas
In an interview translated by MEMRI that aired on Al-Aqsa TV on April 9, 2008, Hamas Culture Minister Atallah Abu Al-Subh stated that " The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is the faith that every Jew harbors in his heart".

Sheik Yunus al-Astal, a Hamas legislator and imam, in a column in the weekly newspaper Al Risalah in 2008 discussed a Koranic verse suggesting that

"suffering by fire is the Jews' destiny in this world and the next." Astal concluded
"Therefore we are sure that the Holocaust is still to come upon the Jews.

In 2008 Imam Yousif al-Zahar of Hamas said in his sermon at the Katib Wilayat mosque in Gaza that "Jews are a people who cannot be trusted. They have been traitors to all agreements. Go back to history. Their fate is their vanishing."

In an editorial in The Guardian in January 2006, Khaled Meshaal, the chief of Hamas's political bureau stated:

"Our message to the Israelis is this: We do not fight you because you belong to a certain faith or culture. Jews have lived in the Muslim world for 13 centuries in peace and harmony; they are in our religion "the people of the book" who have a covenant from God and his messenger, Muhammad (peace be upon him), to be respected and protected." "Our conflict with you is not religious but political. We have no problem with Jews who have not attacked us — our problem is with those who came to our land, imposed themselves on us by force, destroyed our society and banished our people."


A report by MEMRI from 2002 states that the Hamas monthly Falastin Al-Muslima had published in September 1996 a series of articles by Ibrahim Al-'Ali on how Allah punished the Jews of the village of Iliya for violation of the Sabbath by transforming them into animals such as "apes, pigs, mice, and lizards". They were also punished by not being able to reproduce. According to MEMRI, the author stated that "The transformation was actual" and not metaphoric. Al-'Ali goes on to say that although they did not reproduce the punishment "left its mark in the souls of the Jews who came after them".

The Guardian reported Khaled Meshaal's statement that, "As a Palestinian today I speak of a Palestinian and Arab demand for a state on 1967 borders. It is true that in reality there will be an entity or state called Israel on the rest of Palestinian land."

In the same article, Ismail Haniyeh, the Palestinian prime minister, was quoted as saying, "Israel is there, it is part of the United Nations and we do not deny its existence. But we still have rights and land there which have been usurped and until these matters are dealt with we will withhold our recognition,"


Statements on the Holocaust

In 2008, Basim Naim, the minister of health in the Hamas government in Gaza, said "But it should be made clear that neither Hamas nor the Palestinian government in Gaza denies the Nazi Holocaust. The Holocaust was not only a crime against humanity but one of the most abhorrent crimes in modern history.

We condemn it as we condemn every abuse of humanity and all forms of discrimination on the basis of religion, race, gender or nationality."

In 2005, Khaled Mashaal called Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's December 14, 2005 statements on the Holocaust (that Europeans had "created a myth in the name of Holocaust") as "courageous."

According to MEMRI, In 2003 Hamas leader Abdel Aziz Rantisi published an article in the Hamas weekly Al-Risala in which he called the Holocaust "the false Holocaust" and "the greatest of lies". In this article Rantisi expressed support to Holocaust deniers Roger Garaudy, David Irving, Gerd Honsik, and Fredrick Töben, and to the idea that the gas chambers were a myth. Rantisi also stated that "the Nazis received tremendous financial aid from the Zionist banks and monopolies, and this contributed to their rise to power", and accused the Jewish-owned Berlin-based investment bank Mendelssohn & Co. of funding the Nazis, calling it a "Zionist bank".

In an open letter to Gaza Strip UNRWA chief John Ging published August 20, 2009, the movement's Popular Committees for Refugees called the Holocaust "a lie invented by the Zionists," adding that the group refused to let Gazan children study about it.

Hamas leader Younis al-Astal said that having the Holocaust included in the UNRWA curriculum for Gaza students amounted to "marketing a lie and spreading it." Al-Astal continued "I do not exaggerate when I say this issue is a war crime, because of how it serves the Zionist colonizers and deals with their hypocrisy and lies."

Senior Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri stated his objection to the inclusion of what he referred to as the "so-called Holocaust" in the lesson plan. He continued

"we think it's more important to teach Palestinians the crimes of the Israeli occupation."

Academic analysis

In 1994, Esther Webman of the Project for the Study of Anti-Semitism at the Tel Aviv University wrote:

"....the anti-Semitic rhetoric in Hamas leaflets is frequent and intense. Nevertheless, anti-Semitism is not the main tenet of Hamas ideology. Generally no differentiation was made in the leaflets between Jew and Zionist, in as much as Judaism was perceived as embracing Zionism, although in other Hamas publications and in interviews with its leaders attempts at this differentiation have been made."
 
Yes I see all this. I come from a country that used to be colonised so I understand what it means. As I said, one side has changed its position, the other continues to kill civilians.

Thats the bottom line. The charter is an excuse. What was different before the 1980s? From the Irgun to Lieberman, there has been NO CHANGE in Israeli policy.

And please don't quote Memri. Its a hasbara organisation. As for antisemitism, Israel itself is the biggest antisemitic organisation there is, since it is unable to see Jews the same as other people.
 
Nope, they wrote laws for it back in 1856, in 1909 they tried to further the rights of neutral traders, and in 1945 the UN Council took over determining the legal status of blockades. The means by which the blockade is enforce has a big thing to do with it, and sending boarding parties onto other ships isn't illegal especially when it's common practice even when there isn't a blockade up (in order to search a vessel for contraband, weapons, drugs, etc etc).

This blockade prior to this incident was under no scrutiny for it's legality and probably won't afterward either. The only thing in question is the judgment used by the Israeli military.

Ok so then its not actually a blockade, its more of an embargo, and media outlites are just misnaming it.

Yes I see all this. I come from a country that used to be colonised so I understand what it means. As I said, one side has changed its position, the other continues to kill civilians.

I come from a country that use to be colonised too, whats your point?

Thats the bottom line. The charter is an excuse. What was different before the 1980s? From the Irgun to Lieberman, there has been NO CHANGE in Israeli policy.

Not true, Israeli policy has changes since 1980's: its gotten significantly worse! They forbid or severally restricted Palestinian workers and built a fucking wall for crying out loud!

And please don't quote Memri. Its a hasbara organisation. As for antisemitism, Israel itself is the biggest antisemitic organisation there is, since it is unable to see Jews the same as other people.

yeah that does not make since, if I was anti-something I would be against that something, not for it above all other things, fascist or racist would be better applied words in this case.
 
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... There were 5 ships. How come this was the only one with problems?
You are quick to parrot the latest Israeli justification line. - I.e. As only 1 of 6 boats resisted they must have been spoiling for a fight, were in the wrong, filled with terrorists, etc.

But this ignores fact that the other five were tiny boats with few occupants - not able to resist.
 
You are quick to parrot the latest Israeli justification line. - I.e. As only 1 of 6 boats resisted they must have been spoiling for a fight, were in the wrong, filled with terrorists, etc.

But this ignores fact that the other five were tiny boats with few occupants - not able to resist.

Minor details :)

A few months ago it was murdering individuals they did not like in foriegn lands. And now they are attacking unarmed ships in international waters. What is next?
 
... Why not just bring it to Egypt, then truck it in the safe way? Hmmmmmm...
Main front page headline in my newspaper (Folha de Sao Paulo) today is that Egypt is opening the border crossing at Rafah, which has been closed for three years. Does that answer your question?

Also just below the headline is a large photo of more than 50 Palestinians, many holding passports up above their head in a shoulder to shoulder mob -they are waiting clearance to enter Egypt. the photo has no visible edge to the mob - perhaps 500 or more are in it as they are really jammed tight together in the part you can see.

Palestinians who can are disparate to leave the very nice conditions Israel provides in Palestine – Strange behavior don’t you think when Palestine is like a health club with the caloric intake is very limited.
 
No. I would have been defending myself against aggressors who stormed the ship I was on. Unlike you, their religion means squat to me.

Not if you were on that ship, apparently.

Tell me, were the passengers who threw deck chairs on the Somalians who were trying to storm their ships 'rabid Somali haters'?

Tell me, did they participate in a rabid anti-Somali session the day before?

Who was released quickly. Funny that, eh Geoff?

Was the holocaust survivor who was on board a Jew-hater?

Your 'correlation' is meaningless. Leaders get released first, followers last.

No.

I'm just tired of you. I find you so immoral and such a lying hypocrite that even typing this response to you brings a bad taste to my mouth.

Ad hom. Pointless.

Now it's a white hood rally.

More or less, yup.

What should they have done when those soldiers stormed their ships and started shooting Geoff? Tell me, in Geoff's little world, what should they have done? What should anyone do if on a ship and it is stormed by armed men?

I bolded and quoted that section so it couldn't be fortuitously edited out later: where in the vids I posted did you see soldiers firing first? Or, at all?

Frankly, you are now grasping at straws. Look at the videos. Women were throwing deck chairs trying to defend themselves against men shooting at them.

Post the vid, identify the shooting part, and then correlate it to the attacks on the rappellers - which were, councillor, immediate.

Now, speaking of lying, where did I say that it was malnourished Palestinian children on those boats and all the rest of what you have claimed I have said?

Red herring - again.

Here's the thing. Lets say this goes to court and I am prosecuting them. And I say 'it shows clear premeditation that they were going to attack their attackers (yes Geoff, when the Israelis stormed those ships, they attacked the people on those ships) because they were singing some songs

Then I bar you from the case, and probably disbar you altogether, for blatant misrepresentation. (I might even cite your behaviour in this thread, if I had access to it.) "Some songs", indeed. :rolleyes:

I'd be laughed out of court.

Undoubtedly.

Clear premeditation would mean that they would know exactly what the Isaelis were going to do, and that was to storm the boats and rappelle down.

No. You'd merely have to demonstrate that they thought a boarding was likely. You'll note from the vids I posted that not all the 'passengers' were on the upper decks, waiting: they were scattered around a little bit, with their weapons. You also fail to understand that the use of more heavy weapons would have destroyed their media advantage.

You are saying that because they were singing anti-Jewish songs, then it was premeditated that they attacked the Israeli men who attacked their ships.

They were shooting at the ships before they even boarded, Geoff. Keep up.

Haneen Zoabi doesn't strike me as a very independent source. If there was firing, why can I see no bodies on the deck of the ship during the Israeli raid vids? Why is everyone milling around until the commandos descend? Surely they'd be running for cover. A lie. Your link also says this:

Video has emerged showing some on board the aid ship shouting anti-Jewish and radical Islamist slogans as they prepared to sail to Gaza last Friday.

The pictures, from Arabic TV, showed the campaigners in a jubilant mood. One said she was determined either to get to Gaza or to die a martyr.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/middle_east/10208027.stm

Which is why I am a tad dubious about the whole anti-Jewish songs. Anti-Israel songs maybe? One could understand, especially in light of what Israel is doing to the Palestinians in Gaza.

And you illustrate your ignorance thereby. Or perhaps al Jazeera is too biased a source for you?
:shrug: Rebuttal?

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Spock, fedr808, CheskiChips, GeoffP surporting israil

No. Supporting balance. Fraggle is doing the same, although he takes a moderately more dim view of Israel’s politics than I do.

Bells said:
What is the definition of "jihad"?

Which one, Bells? Big or small? Which one matters more to the non-believer?

James said:
How do I know the people in that video were the ones on these boats?

It was reported by al Jazeera.

Anyway.

The upshot of this is that it was a bungled move by Israel. Very few people will pay attention to the facts of the case, and of those that notice, few will be moved: witness Sam, Bells, pj, etc. (Although I thank God for Billy and James and Fraggle who have a bit more perspective. Kremmen and Straw, obviously, as well.)

What was the status of peace talks between Israel and Palestine prior to the incident?
 
The pressure mounts:

Activists: We have funding for another larger Gaza flotilla
'Freedom 2' expected to set sail in coming weeks; Crew members of 'Rachel Corrie' ship, part of the first Gaza aid convoy, still determined to break Gaza blockade, saying 'we are a peaceful mission.'


The European Campaign to End the Siege on Gaza announced on Wednesday that they received funding for three more ships to be part of a new Gaza-bound flotilla dubbed "Freedom 2".

Dr. Arafat Madi, the head of the group, based in Brussels, said that they are planning a new Gaza flotilla comprised of many more ships and pro-Palestinian activists than the first one.

"Following the massacre done by the IDF forces in international waters, the world's calls for another flotilla are even more pressing."

The new flotilla is expected to set sail in the coming weeks, and the head of the group didn't discount the possibility of Turkey's semi-official participation in funding or organizing.
 
Yes I see all this. I come from a country that used to be colonised so I understand what it means. As I said, one side has changed its position, the other continues to kill civilians.

Thats the bottom line. The charter is an excuse.

No. The Hamas Charter is a statement of intent. It is, every bit, a real document.
 
Who is everyone?
Obviously not "everyone" but five quite old Germans had made it back to Germany and gave a press conference, which I saw on TV yesterday. One was an officer on the ship or at least on the bridge. He said their ship was 78 miles from land when the Israelis approached it – From what he and the others said, I assumed he was on one of the smaller boats that had only rude behavior from the commandos (forcing women down onto the deck etc.).

Spock you damage your case by denying everything, including even well established facts, that cast a bad light on Israeli - No one will believe you even when you may be telling the truth. I called you out many page back with proof you were lying when stating that Al Cazeer (spelled wrong) TV was broadcasting the "entire event." That was really a stupid claim as we all saw the first part ONLY of the event. –I.e. the approaching Israeli boats and then about a minute of the confusion and panic below deck. We did not see what is now being told that the passengers who were force to sit or lie down, that even women had two guards with them when going to the bathroom. etc.

Israel is very good at information flow control. - They had jammed the cells phones even before boarding. Satellite dish feed signals could not be jammed until the commandos got on board - but they were cut in about one minute - exposing your lie that the “entire event was covered by Arab TV” broadcasters on the ship.

Again, why should anyone believe a word you say - when you ALWAYS lie about things that do not look good for Israel even if we all know your claims are false? You seem to be so blinded by hate that you behave stupidly. Wise up and try to get some creditability.
 
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