the whole story comes across as a lie to me. a bunch of untrained activists is going to get a gun away from an Israeli commando who quite probably trained in Krav Megav(need to check spelling) an Israeli martial art known for its brutality(not really a sign of Israel violent tendencies. all true combat martial arts are brutal) and effective is a idiotic suggestion.
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the whole story comes across as a lie to me. a bunch of untrained activists is going to get a gun away from an Israeli commando who quite probably trained in Krav Megav(need to check spelling) an Israeli martial art known for its brutality(not really a sign of Israel violent tendencies. all true combat martial arts are brutal) and effective is a idiotic suggestion.
In a way, yes. See, the thing is that Bells thinks I'm a fascist (I'm not); then if we start mixing up labels, suddenly I'm no longer human either. I don't think this is what you're trying to do, obviously, but it's disturbing in a way.
bells doesn't think your a fascist just dishonest and unrelenting in support of a criminal enterprise.
PJ, not having seen any of my links (which illustrate quite handily how it can happen), drops by. How can something you've never even bothered to check possibly be called a lie? Anyway.
Then why mention it's alleged brutality at all, if all true martial arts are the same?
I recommend you review my links above. If you like, I can repost them.
I've seen all your links? still dishonest ans still a troll to your core I see. no activists had guns
???? Not all true martial arts are the same. just the owns that are designed to be used in combat are. because the brutal nature of it begs to the state of mind.
I've looked at all your shit. posting them again and repeating your self won't convince me.
Ah, but you said you didn't understand how the protestors could have got a gun from a commando. Yet, if you've seen my links, you know how they could have. And, again: if all combat martial arts are brutal, why mention Krav in particular?
I'll borrow a phrase from Ganymede here: checkmate.
I'll borrow a phrase from Ganymede here: checkmate.
If a cop ever tries to stop me from doing something and ends up pulling his gun out, I'll make absolutely sure he doesn't "get the first blow". That'll make ma real proud.
The demographics in Israel have changed enormously since the early 90's. While many extremists were hoping the Arabs or Palestinians would eventually outbreed the Jews and vote their rights away, the ultra orthodox have been beating them to the punch.
and if that cop is pulling his weapon on you in an illegal fashion?
But they never had a gun.
I know this concept might be a little above you ability but here it goes.... because that is the one they would have been trained in being Israeli
Only in your head.
Then he gets in trouble for illegally pulling a weapon on me, he gets in trouble for creating a situation and helping to escalate it, but he doesn't get in trouble for shooting me after I try to stab him.
actually he would for provoking a defensive response. Your to blame for provoking defensive responses.
by extremists I assume you mean people who support the law and therefore the palestinians?
Those people wouldn't care whether Palestinians were the majority or not, as long as they got to vote and received the same rights as any other human being.
That wasn't your premise.
Interesting ad hom. But why not just say "trained in a brutal martial art"? Doesn't sound right.
A very valid appraisal. As I have been saying all along, the tide has long since turned from "default" sympathy for Israel and the Jewish cause, the WW2 generation has passed away, and Israel is steadily being exposed for the dangerous rabid dog that it was and is. Misguided and self inflicted.
And as I have been saying all along, the tide is unstoppable, and the only way for Israel to survive long term is a major shift in policy that will allow justice and Statehood for the Palestinian people, and that will necessarily include major land restitution. The key word is "compromise" and I hope the regime, along with its blind unconditional supporters, comes to its senses sooner rather than later.
As the fallout from this disgusting incident indicates, Israel was and is the major security risk in the ME if not the world today.
That babies and children in Gaza are sick and hungry due to politics beyond their control is disgusting. That Palestinian leaders are not uniting to deal with this situation is disgusting. That a humanitarian effort to address this reality ends in violence is disgusting.
There is no other way to say it. No problem with exploring extenuating circumstances and provocation from both sides. Let this incident be independently investigated and displayed for all to see. Let there be accountability for this incident, I don`t care who, Israel, Turkey, peace activists, whatever. But let there be accountability, so we can learn from this. :m:
Are you saying that Israel is a thief?
did I explicitly say that Israel was?
There's your answer.
that's not disgusting, thats just sad.
You cant prevent disgusting things this easily.
Sad is when you can't prevent it from happening because the government that should be protecting their citizens consistantly does the opposite.
The fact is in every single case Israel was provoked. The Gazans ceased firing during a period of 24 hours and the second that happened Israel swung the gates open and let medical supplies through, food through, electricity, water, all the heart's desires...
Hamas fired two rockets and Hamas closed the gates.
Really? What strings are attached?
I would think that if Israel created strings to be attached you would think one of them would involve not firing rockets into the adjacent nation.
Explain to me, how does giving Gaza to the Palestinians involve a bribe? Is that a joke?:roflmao:
I would think if Israel were bribing the Palestinians they would tell them to stop it with the f*****g rockets. Dont you?
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