Zionist piracy

[Billy T]

That would be idiotic. The ships were merely boarded, no fighting occurred until some morons decided they would fight off the Israeli military with pipes and chains.

No. before the first commando touched the deck stun bombs were going off - you can even see the flashes in the Israeli video. Boarding at 4AM by commandos is not how one asks to inspect ship for weapons. Look soon as the flashes will be removed by computer processing quickly - Israel is hiding the facts, confiscating videos taken on ship and holding reporters from several countries -Israel fears the truth, but eventually must release these reporters. (It is not creditable that ALL will suffer heart attacks in Israeli jails.) Why are reporters in Jail anyway?

 

[spidergoat]

Yes it is.

 

[Bells]

That would be idiotic. The ships were merely boarded, no fighting occurred until some morons decided they would fight off the Israeli military with pipes and chains.

We must be sure to tell people who are on ships that are boarded illegally who dare fight back that they are being "ridiculous". Because obviously, the only thing to do when being invaded by masked and armed men is to not attempt to defend yourself against an illegal attack.

These passengers, for example, were commiting a henious and terrible crime in defending themselves against armed men attempting to storm their ship.

A speed boat had appeared at the stern and several armed men were preparing to board the cruise ship, they said. One was already trying to scale the vessel. Several passengers were desperately grabbing deck chairs and tables and hurling them down at the men trying to board the ship.

(Source)

 

[fedr808]

Its not hard to see that what occurred is a travesty of justice. Sadly Fed, there is no way around how disgusting this issue is. :m:

disgusting? Not in the least.

Mildly sickening maybe. A slight stomach ache or boo boo at the most.

You know what's disgusting? Some of the impoverished settlements in India. Some of those people consider good living to be a card board box over your head and a piece of "property" not covered in dung.

disgusting is a parent that sends a child off with enough c4 to destroy a tank in order to satisfy their fundamentalism.

This is not disgusting strawdog.

Gisgusting is a person that uses battery acid to get high. Disgusting is a nation with inflation in the thousands of percentage points. Disgusting is a nation that mows down thousands of their own citizens of their own same ethnic group for a slight disagreement.

To compare Israel's actions to the words "disgusting" is pathetic.

Any time you here the word "massacre" used in history as a single time and place from at least half a century ago you almost always see it in referance to the slaughtering of innocents in the numbers from hundreds to thousands at the very least.

Nowadays in referance to Israel a massacre qualifies as thirteen people. How is that a massacre? That does not even put a dent in the population.

People also have the gall to call what Israel is doing a "genocide". Tell me, how does a little over 1,000 dead in Palestine in the last conflict (of which most is armed men) count as a "genocide". In a couple of days in the battle of Midway we killed twice as many people. On Guadalcanal we killed nearly 30 times as many people. The nazis killed 13 million people.

1,000 is not a genocide, 100,000 is typically considered a genocide. And that is of woman and children and innocents.

How does this supposed "massacre" and "genocide" that Israel is committing even deserve to be branded as such. To term it as such is an insult.

Genocide is the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group.[1]

While a precise definition varies among genocide scholars, a legal definition is found in the 1948 United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (CPPCG). Article 2 of this convention defines genocide as "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."[2] Because of the insistence of Joseph Stalin, this definition of genocide under international law does not include political groups.[3][4]

The preamble to the CPPCG states that instances of genocide have taken place throughout history,[2] but it was not until Raphael Lemkin coined the term and the prosecution of perpetrators of the Holocaust at the Nuremberg trials that the United Nations agreed to the CPPCG which defined the crime of genocide under international law.

There are several stages of genocide. number 7 is extermination and number 8 is the final one, it is denial. Israel is debatably not even number 1. Number 1 is dividing it into "us and them". Sure you can cite the whole Gaza situation, but Israel gave Gaza and the west bank to the Palestinians as a gift, and a rather large one at that. If your trying to start the hatred of an ethnic group, than why give them a gift?

Murder is probably the only appropriate term to give to Israel's actions, and even than much of it is collateral damage. That tends to happen when you have enemy soldiers hiding behind hospitals.

 

[fedr808]

You can be certain that Israel will burn videos taken on the boat they have now confiscated. Israel fears the truth getting out.

Does anyone have list of Israel's main consumer exports or other suggestions as to whom to make secondary boycotts against?

I think Israel exports oranges - when buying oranges look to see where they came from. If that information is not available, tell the seller you need to know as don't want to buy from Israel. It is time for direct action. Do what you can, including asking others to boycott everything Israeli.

Take it from an old leader of the civil rights movement in Baltimore MD. The only thing that really works is giving economic pain, more pain and still greater PAIN for months to the abusers of human rights.* For example, the boycott of the buses took a year but Rosa Parks was vindicated in the end as bus company was going bankrupt. Or in my case, after we could on a nice summer day, stop most from entering 20+restaurants** for Sunday dinners etc. the Restaurant Association switched sides and joined us in getting the MD legislature to make discrimination based on race illegal. Then the cops were on our side, instead of arresting us.

I bet there are some Israeli music CD you can refuse to buy and tell seller to drop them*** or you will buy your other CDs elsewhere, etc. Geoff's earlier suggestion that "international authorities/ organizations" should be turned to instead of direct action in /or for self defense etc. has a long history of achieving NOTHING. - YOU CAN. Actively do something. Set an example for others.

*The abuser of human rights needs to see you are not going away, but growing stronger as time passes. Don't quit. Get more to join in.****
**And even in the rain, close 10 with the really dedicated passive fighters.
***Tell seller that, even if you had no intention to buy an Israeli CD. Do the same in other stores selling anything Israeli - Telling seller is more effective by far than just not buying.
****Take the pledge:
I will never knowingly buy an Israeli product until there is a free and independent Palestinian state.

PS as this post will no doubt soon be pages back, please quote it in full. I will delete it periodically and re-post it too.

Chances are if you want to boycott Israel than you might as well throw away your computer right now.

Microsoft, Intel, IBM, cisco systems, Motorola, Comverse. They all have operations in Israel which involve R&D and manufacture. Unless you have an apple computer with AMD cpu and motherboard than you should trash your computer.

An Israeli also invented the first flash drive, so I guess you should boycott those as well.

Israeli also has the largest number of Nasdaq companies outside of north America. So there goes a lot of things you can no longer buy.

Copaxone was also invented and made in Israel, so pray to G-d you don't get multiple slerosis otherwise your up s*** creek without a paddle.

The first stem cell studies started in Israel, so if sometime in the future you get sick, pray to G-d you dont need a stem cell operation.

CT scans, MRI's, ultrasound scanners, nuclear medical cameras, and surgical lasers. All were developed and marketed from Israel.

I hope your writing this all down

TEVA Pharmaceutical industries is also the largest generic drug manufacturer in the world, so we can cross off generic medication.


Good luck with your boycott, you will need it.

 

[GeoffP]

Hmmmm..

Hanin Zoubi? Hmmm...

Zoubi sees no difference between Lieberman and more mainstream Israeli politicians, saying that Lieberman, Tzipi Livni, and Benjamin Netanyahu are "all a bunch of fascists pure and simple."[2]

At the 18th Knesset swearing-in ceremony on February 24, 2009, she left the Knesset plenum before the singing of Hatikva, Israel's national anthem. "'Hatikva' doesn't represent me", she later said. "I preferred to leave the room, because I don't appreciate hypocrisy."[5] She has voiced support for Iranian acquisition of nuclear weapons, saying “I need something to balance its [Israel’s] power.”[4]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haneen_Zoubi

I don't blame those people one bit. I'd have been looking around for anything I could get as soon as I saw or heard those helicopters close in above that deck. Granted, you might fall to your knees and think your messiah had come, but not everyone is like you Geoff.

Petty insults aside, you'd have been as responsible as everyone else.

So the people on those boats are at fault for Israel being god damn stupid for putting itself in this position? Righteo.

Miscomprehension. I find both parties to be at fault.

I have to ask, can Israel do no wrong in your eyes?

Miscomprehension. I find both parties to be at fault.

Because you see, the world has condemned them fully for what they have done.

Fallacy of popular opinion.

You? You carry on about anti Jewish songs

Miscomprehension or duplicitiousness. We've discussed your trolling on this issue.

You're not spreading the blame. You're excusing and justifying.

False.

You have gone on and on about premeditation. If those passengers really were premeditating their supposed attack (they get boarded illegally and apparently they are the attackers in Geoff's twisted little world), I find it astounding that all they had on hand to "attack" (in your opinion) was a couple of iron pipes, a sling shot and some marbles and plastic chairs and a possible knife or two.

Your "possible" knife has already been shown at work stabbing an Israeli commando, which suggests intellectual dishonesty. And you also conveniently dismiss their choice of arms while forgetting that the use of heavier weapons would have ruined their media field day.

What it shows is a bunch of desperate people, men and women

Illustrate the women in the fight, for interest's sake. Or retract the blithe propaganda.

, who appear to have simply grabbed what they could to defend those ships, which they were well within their rights to do.. something with again, keeps on escaping you. Unlike you, they don't view Israelis storming their ships with guns and other weapons as the second coming of the Messiah.

Straw man; and kind of a dumb one, at that.

What part of Israel confiscating all the footage from the journalists did you not quite understand? It has been linked several times in this thread already. Can you not read?

Maybe, councillor, you could explain what's on that footage. Clearly you must know.

I am well aware of premeditation, sir

Apparently not.

Because in Geoff's world, those activists were all Jew hating people intent on apparently attacking Jews.. Which has been shown, even from the videos, that they were only defending themselves when attacked by the Israeli forces.

Those two concepts don't link. What part of that reality do you not quite grasp? You make these arguments without any semblance of congruity.

What? Are you suggesting that because those rappellers were Jewish, they should not have done anything to them?

That may well be the silliest comment yet on this thread. Of course not.

No. What I find demeaning is that you are placing more emphasis on songs

Again with "songs". You really don't understand the meaning behind that whole song about Khaybar, do you? You just don't get it.

Ah well.

 

[Norsefire]

That would be idiotic. The ships were merely boarded, no fighting occurred until some morons decided they would fight off the Israeli military with pipes and chains.

Still defending the Jewish atrocities, I see.

 

[Zakariya04]

but Israel gave Gaza and the west bank to the Palestinians as a gift, and a rather large one at that. If your trying to start the hatred of an ethnic group, than why give them a gift?
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haahhahahaha oh god need to catch my breath


"Isreal gave Gaza and the west bank to the palestinains as a gift"

pls explain this statement Fedr, i need to understand it in the seriousness you wrote it in!!!

 

[GeoffP]

"Gift"?

 

[Norsefire]

If you steal a person's car and give them back a bike, you're not giving them any "gift".

 

[ejderha]

I am watching the news.

"We sabotaged 5 of the ships but left Mavi Marmara alone, that's why it was hit"

Edit: Reason, "the ship was bigger than the others" I have no idea what does that mean.

Nice.

 

[Zakariya04]

the wprrying ting is that Fadr actually belives what he writes but i hope not!!

 

[fedr808]

If you steal a person's car and give them back a bike, you're not giving them any "gift".

what is the definition of a "gift"?

Something you give to somebody, financially, politically, morally, physically, etc. without them giving you anything in return for said gift.

So by the definition of the word "gift" than yah, Gaza and the west bank is a gift.

Israel did not have to give it to them just as that person whom stole a car did not have to give them a bike.

So by the definition of the term "gift" than yes, Gaza and the west bank was a gift.

 

[fedr808]

the wprrying ting is that Fadr actually belives what he writes but i hope not!!

It's called spellcheck Zak, you probably also should have used it when you typed your name.

now, tell me, how exactly is Gaza and the west bank not a "gift"?

 

[fedr808]

"Gift"?

explain to me how it is not a gift...

 

[Billy T]

You can be certain that Israel will burn videos taken on the boat they have now confiscated. Israel fears the truth getting out.

Does anyone have list of Israel's main consumer exports or other suggestions as to whom to make secondary boycotts against?

I think Israel exports oranges - when buying oranges look to see where they came from. If that information is not available, tell the seller you need to know as don't want to buy from Israel. It is time for direct action. Do what you can, including asking others to boycott everything Israeli.

Take it from an old leader of the civil rights movement in Baltimore MD. The only thing that really works is giving economic pain, more pain and still greater PAIN for months to the abusers of human rights.* For example, the boycott of the buses took a year but Rosa Parks was vindicated in the end as bus company was going bankrupt. Or in my case, after we could on a nice summer day, stop most from entering 20+restaurants** for Sunday dinners etc. the Restaurant Association switched sides and joined us in getting the MD legislature to make discrimination based on race illegal. Then the cops were on our side, instead of arresting us.

I bet there are some Israeli music CD you can refuse to buy and tell seller to drop them*** or you will buy your other CDs elsewhere, etc. Geoff's earlier suggestion that "international authorities/ organizations" should be turned to instead of direct action in /or for self defense etc. has a long history of achieving NOTHING. - YOU CAN. Actively do something. Set an example for others.

*The abuser of human rights needs to see you are not going away, but growing stronger as time passes. Don't quit. Get more to join in.****
**And even in the rain, close 10 with the really dedicated passive fighters.
***Tell seller that, even if you had no intention to buy an Israeli CD. Do the same in other stores selling anything Israeli - Telling seller is more effective by far than just not buying.
****Take the pledge:
I will never knowingly buy an Israeli product until there is a free and independent Palestinian state.


When US is terminating financial aid to Americans losing their homes, WHY are your tax dollars still going to Israel in part to support illegal home building and the displacement of Palestinians there?
Write, or call your congressman and demand all aid to Israel be stopped NOW. $$$$ are the only language Israel understands.

 

[fedr808]

You can be certain that Israel will burn videos taken on the boat they have now confiscated. Israel fears the truth getting out.

Does anyone have list of Israel's main consumer exports or other suggestions as to whom to make secondary boycotts against?

I think Israel exports oranges - when buying oranges look to see where they came from. If that information is not available, tell the seller you need to know as don't want to buy from Israel. It is time for direct action. Do what you can, including asking others to boycott everything Israeli.

Take it from an old leader of the civil rights movement in Baltimore MD. The only thing that really works is giving economic pain, more pain and still greater PAIN for months to the abusers of human rights.* For example, the boycott of the buses took a year but Rosa Parks was vindicated in the end as bus company was going bankrupt. Or in my case, after we could on a nice summer day, stop most from entering 20+restaurants** for Sunday dinners etc. the Restaurant Association switched sides and joined us in getting the MD legislature to make discrimination based on race illegal. Then the cops were on our side, instead of arresting us.

I bet there are some Israeli music CD you can refuse to buy and tell seller to drop them*** or you will buy your other CDs elsewhere, etc. Geoff's earlier suggestion that "international authorities/ organizations" should be turned to instead of direct action in /or for self defense etc. has a long history of achieving NOTHING. - YOU CAN. Actively do something. Set an example for others.

*The abuser of human rights needs to see you are not going away, but growing stronger as time passes. Don't quit. Get more to join in.****
**And even in the rain, close 10 with the really dedicated passive fighters.
***Tell seller that, even if you had no intention to buy an Israeli CD. Do the same in other stores selling anything Israeli - Telling seller is more effective by far than just not buying.
****Take the pledge:
I will never knowingly buy an Israeli product until there is a free and independent Palestinian state.


When US is terminating financial aid to Americans losing their homes, WHY are your tax dollars still going to Israel in part to support illegal home building and the displacement of Palestinians there?
Write, or call your congressman and demand all aid to Israel be stopped NOW. $$$$ are the only language Israel understands.

Chances are if you want to boycott Israel than you might as well throw away your computer right now.

Microsoft, Intel, IBM, cisco systems, Motorola, Comverse. They all have operations in Israel which involve R&D and manufacture. Unless you have an apple computer with AMD cpu and motherboard than you should trash your computer.

An Israeli also invented the first flash drive, so I guess you should boycott those as well.

Israeli also has the largest number of Nasdaq companies outside of north America. So there goes a lot of things you can no longer buy.

Copaxone was also invented and made in Israel, so pray to G-d you don't get multiple slerosis otherwise your up s*** creek without a paddle.

The first stem cell studies started in Israel, so if sometime in the future you get sick, pray to G-d you dont need a stem cell operation.

CT scans, MRI's, ultrasound scanners, nuclear medical cameras, and surgical lasers. All were developed and marketed from Israel.

I hope your writing this all down

TEVA Pharmaceutical industries is also the largest generic drug manufacturer in the world, so we can cross off generic medication.


Good luck with your boycott, you will need it.


Nice spam mr. troll.

Money will not stop Israel, What a joke. Nobody is going to boycott Israel in the west because nobody in the west has the balls to do it.

 

[ejderha]

Nobody is going to boycott Israel in the west because nobody in the west has the balls to do it.

You must be proud. What species do you belong?

 

[nirakar]

what is the definition of a "gift"?

Something you give to somebody, financially, politically, morally, physically, etc. without them giving you anything in return for said gift.

So by the definition of the word "gift" than yah, Gaza and the west bank is a gift.

Israel did not have to give it to them just as that person whom stole a car did not have to give them a bike.

So by the definition of the term "gift" than yes, Gaza and the west bank was a gift.

If Gaza belonged to the Palestinians they would not have to ask permission from Israel to import cement.

 

[Zakariya04]

explain to me how it is not a gift...

hi fed

i asked you to explain to me how it was a gift???

i would like you to elaborate on your comment