Bells
Staff member
Er, "defend" themselves by planning a lynch mob at a hatefest before having undergone any fire from anyone. If that happened.
So, you are saying that they should not have organised a defense when they saw they were about to be stormed?
I mean if they were really getting a lynch mob together, one would assume they would have armed themselves better than with a couple of metal pipes, pocket knives and whatever they could scrounge on the ship, including pastic chairs.
I have to wonder about this whole frothing and getting Jew hating lynch mob together and if this was premeditaded if all they had to defend themselves with was plastic deck chairs and a couple of iron pipes.
Refer to my previous post about the only videos the world has been allowed to see of the events and how the independent journalists or passengers and observers have been detained without being allowed to speak to the outside world?That's the thing: I just don't believe you. I don't think you understand the term. You're just referencing it now. I've watched the vids and haven't seen any Israeli firing first, which you keep claiming; only a mob swirling around on deck, attacking rapelling troops with lethal weapons. Do you actually have anything like this? It would go a long way towards re-establishing your credibility.
I have seen it. What I am questioning is how that is taking precendence with you over people being killed. Apparently preparing to defend yourself as you see commandos storm your ship is a bad thing in Geoff's world.What, not even a "singalong"? But I thought you implied you had seen that. So which are you lying about: having seen it, or not having seen it?
Wring those hands some more Geoff..Intellectual disconnect isn't going to solve your problems here, Bells? Maybe you don't mind so much that one of the sheikhs on board is a Western Wall conspiracy theorist, but it does have a certain ring, coupled with the hate-fest and the events of the actual boarding. Do you actually think anyone at all would have been killed if the "passengers" hadn't attacked the Israelis in a mob? Do you get the fact that it's better media-wise if they don't have decent weapons? Because if all they use is "iron-ish sticks" and knives and the odd Molotov, then they'll have a happy array of mindless excuse-makers. Not that I'm accusing you of mindlessness.
What even the Israeli videos show is that those passengers were using what they had been able to quickly scramble together to defend themselves against an illegal attack by armed men. Your argument doesn't hold to be honest. Because if they were a Jew hating mob and planning this, they would have been a hell of a lot better prepared instead of being armed as they were armed.
At the end of the day, the world community has recognised that the actions of Israel are inexcusable. I'll wait until I hear from the independent observers, including an ex US ambassador and politicians, as well as human rights group members who were there observers, not to mention the journalists who were there independently to report on the flotilla. I'll wait to hear of what they saw and experienced. That is when Israel allows them to speak or releases them.