Zionist piracy

[GeoffP]

Well, I think we've wrapped up this issue. The broader issue is of course the blockade itself, which is immoral to a tee. But in the particulars of this issue, there's little doubt that there was premeditation of the action, and that it was intended - perhaps from the first - as a ploy to the media. I think this action has been somewhat successful, but as more details about the event - if any of the big media organizations dare to show them - become available, the response might be more mixed.

Or might not. Those on either side of the issue are more likely to entrench, frankly, and little moves opinion these days.

 

[GeoffP]

I don't think one guy waving what looks like the handle of mike and another with glass marbles or a pocket knife constitutes "resistance". Not against trained commando soldiers utilising stun grenades, tear gas and machine guns. My God, these are trained combat soldiers against unarmed civilians. Is the Israeli army populated by fools and cowards?

A pocket knife? You haven't seen the films, then. I wonder if you'll click them this time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yt_4gQTP8Uw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU12KW-XyZE&feature=related

You, sir, are nothing but a troll. You have no qualms in trying to excuse the behaviour of those commandoes.

Like the first phrase, the remainder of the post was miscomprehension and character assassination. Sorry. Disinterested.

You are more obsessed with the supposed singing than shooting peace activists and killing them. But again, that says more about you than me.

Miscomprehension. Even al Jazeera thinks that many of the passengers were worked up into a fury for confrontation. You pretend not to understand this, complaining about "singing". Which says more about you than me.

Seriously: either grow some perspective, or develop some honesty. You could do with both, to my mind.

 

[S.A.M.]

But in the particulars of this issue, there's little doubt that there was premeditation of the action, and that it was intended - perhaps from the first - as a ploy to the media

All the Israelis had to do was not cooperate with this premeditated effort to make them look like fools.

A pocket knife? You haven't seen the films, then.

Yes pocket knife. Haven't you ever seen a khanjar? Its like a fashion accessory in parts of the world. Are we to indulge your provincial morals?

 

[Bells]

Well, I think we've wrapped up this issue. The broader issue is of course the blockade itself, which is immoral to a tee. But in the particulars of this issue, there's little doubt that there was premeditation of the action, and that it was intended - perhaps from the first - as a ploy to the media. I think this action has been somewhat successful, but as more details about the event - if any of the big media organizations dare to show them - become available, the response might be more mixed.

Or might not. Those on either side of the issue are more likely to entrench, frankly, and little moves opinion these days.

What's the matter Geoff? Requesting another thread closure because it's just not going your way?

Have you run out of jokes to make about starving children and rape victims? Maybe you could find some victims of land mines to use in your "humorous hyperbole"? How about burns victims in Gaza who were burned with white phosphorus? Have any "humorous hyperbole" about them?

 

[GeoffP]

All the Israelis had to do was not cooperate with this premeditated effort to make them look like fools.

Except that the Israelis brought video cameras.

Yes pocket knife. Haven't you ever seen a khanjar? Its like a fashion accessory in parts of the world. Are we to indulge your provincial morals?

Wow. That was an amazing bit of disingenuousness. Are pocket knives shaped like long iron bars? Perhaps it's a case of your own curious provinciality.

 

[S.A.M.]

Except that the Israelis brought video cameras.



Wow. That was an amazing bit of disingenuousness. Are pocket knives shaped like long iron bars? Perhaps it's a case of your own curious provinciality.

Perhaps I am clearer about who boarded which ship and killed people. Once they are fired at, people have every reason to believe that the armed soldiers now boarding the ship mean harm.

 

[GeoffP]

What's the matter Geoff? Requesting another thread closure because it's just not going your way?

If by "not going my way" you mean "please Geoff stop steamrollering me", then I suppose you could be right.

Have you run out of jokes to make about starving children and rape victims? Maybe you could find some victims of land mines to use in your "humorous hyperbole"? How about burns victims in Gaza who were burned with white phosphorus? Have any "humorous hyperbole" about them?

You mean like the humorous hyperbole about Arabs having a shipboard singalong?

Oh, Bells: how low can you go? This isn't limbo, you know.

 

[GeoffP]

Perhaps I am clearer about who boarded which ship and killed people. Once they are fired at, people have every reason to believe that the armed soldiers now boarding the ship mean harm.

Well, were they fired at? Was it to kill or "across the bow"? Dare I hope you understand what the latter means? So many phrases in English get confused even by the likes of lawyers, no less. It's shocking.

Anyway: if you have a sit-down to plan out a lynch mob attack, then you've forfeited a lot of your moral standing. Especially if your "singalong" takes place a full 24 hours before taking any fire at all.

 

[S.A.M.]

Well, were they fired at? Was it to kill or "across the bow"? Dare I hope you understand what the latter means? So many phrases in English get confused even by the likes of lawyers, no less. It's shocking.

Anyway: if you have a sit-down to plan out a lynch mob attack, then you've forfeited a lot of your moral standing. Especially if your "singalong" takes place a full 24 hours before taking any fire at all.

What morals you have. The IDF defends the seige of Gaza and you defend the IDF. Sorry, really bad taste in the mouth. Those ships were carrying much needed food, basic supplies and medicine. Lynch mob? These are soldiers? I guess they are used to shooting unarmed civilians. Its the only kind of war they can fight.

 

[Bells]

Miscomprehension. Even al Jazeera thinks that many of the passengers were worked up into a fury for confrontation. You pretend not to understand this, complaining about "singing". Which says more about you than me.

Their ships were stormed and they were shot and killed. Their ships were aid ships and they were peace activists.

You'll excuse me if that takes precedence over singing the day before. Your reaction to supposed anti-Jewish songs, sung about soldiers who were harrassing and being aggressive towards them, is ridiculous Geoff. I find it astounding how you are concentrating on this issue, while ignoring the very simple fact that Israeli combat troops stormed a ship illegally and shot people and then had the nerve to be angry that those passengers attempted to defend themselves against their aggressors and those attacking them. Self defense is legal Geoff. You have been complaining about the singing. I have been pointing out how ridiculous it is in the whole scheme of things and in light of what has occurred. You know, perspective? What's more important Geoff? Singing or being shot and killed?

Now, your attempts to find humour in using malnourished children in your hyperbole has been noted. I don't particularly find starving children funny, nor do I think they should be used humorously.

Seriously: either grow some perspective, or develop some honesty. You could do with both, to my mind.

Again, from you, that is hilarious. At least you didn't use starving children as an attempt to be humorous this time.

 

[GeoffP]

What morals you have. The IDF defends the seige of Gaza and you defend the IDF.

Nope. Now you're resorting to Bells' tactic.

Sorry, really bad taste in the mouth. Those ships were carrying much needed food, basic supplies and medicine.

Yes. What a shame they also took along iron bars, battle plans and rage.

 

[nirakar]

And yours, madam. On this thread, I've heard first that there was no resistance, and then that iron bars are apparently "iron sticks" (a kinder, gentler lethal bludgeon). This thread has also apparently unraveled the entire concept of premeditation, which was perhaps just too legalistic. (Or at least when somebody does it.) I forget specifically what you did to muddie the record, except general pretense at strict humanitarianism.

The Israelis boarding the ship to stop it by force from delivering humanitarian supplies because the Israelis want to be able to control the level of suffering in Gaza.

Should the Gazan sympathizers have been cooperative with an illegal seizure of their ships? You can debate whether the seizure is illegal but lets stipulate that the Gazan sympathizers view the seizure as illegal.

Suppose a carjacker who happens to be the DA's and the sheriff's nephew has a history of getting away with carjacking and murdering because his uncles won't prosecute. Then you as self styled vigilante drive a bait car into town. Your buddies in the back seat are videotaping. The carjacker walks up to you at the stoplight and puts a gun to your head and calmly orders you all out of the car. You want more dramatic footage for the media to get the sheriff fired. So you spit in the Carjacker's face. He shoots and kills you and one of your buddies. Now who's fault is it that you and one of your buddies are dead? What should we think of a newspaper that blames you for your death and downplays the carjacker's role in your death?

The Boston Massacre which helped start the American revolution happened when British soldiers shot people who were throwing iceballs at them.

 

[Bells]

If by "not going my way" you mean "please Geoff stop steamrollering me", then I suppose you could be right.

Steamrolling me?

Geoff, you have acted like a horses arse in this thread. I have asked you to stop and you haven't. You've sunk so low as to use starving children as "humorous hyperbole". You consider that steamrolling me?

You mean like the humorous hyperbole about Arabs having a shipboard singalong?

Again, what is more the issue here Geoff? The "singalong"? Or the fact that those ships were stormed by armed combat troops and people killed?

Oh, Bells: how low can you go? This isn't limbo, you know.

You've already scraped the floor. You'll excuse me if I don't rub myself in the waste matter that you have bathed yourself in in your 'limbo' contest.

 

[S.A.M.]

Nope. Now you're resorting to Bells' tactic.



Yes. What a shame they also took along iron bars, battle plans and rage.

I believe they just used whatever was at hand to defend themselves. I don't blame them, they were being shot at for the crime of trying to break the blockade. The Israelis insisting they should hand over the food at Ashdod would be like Germans insisting the Poles should supply the food at the gates of Warsaw rather than through the sewers. If they were not giving just one bowl of soup a day, there would be no need to smuggle in food. The Germans throwing grenades into the sewers at this premeditated act of defiance by the Poles isn't much of an excuse.

 

[GeoffP]

Their ships were stormed and they were shot and killed. Their ships were aid ships and they were peace activists.

Some of whom merely chanced to be planning a lynch mob response if boarded. You'll excuse me if that punctures their morality, although not that of the overall mission.

The remainder of your response shows that you don't know what premeditation is, and that you're basically still running the old faux morality play. It doesn't wash, especially as you don't worry too much about the overt Jew-hatred behind the event; you pretend that my joke was at the expense of Palestinian kids, but it's okay with you when there's real hate directed at Jews. Sort of makes one wonder.

 

[pjdude1219]

If by "not going my way" you mean "please Geoff stop steamrollering me", then I suppose you could be right.

that would require you to say something inline with facts something we are all waiting for you to do.

 

[GeoffP]

I believe they just used whatever was at hand to defend themselves.

Disconnect.

 

[GeoffP]

that would require you to say something inline with facts something we are all waiting for you to do.

Are you still here?

 

[GeoffP]

Steamrolling me?

Geoff, you have acted like a horses arse in this thread. I have asked you to stop and you haven't.

To stop making sense? Save the idiocy for someone it convinces, Bells: you start off every argument with "hand wringing" and degenerate to "cowardice". Please.

Again, what is more the issue here Geoff? The "singalong"? Or the fact that those ships were stormed by armed combat troops and people killed?

Again: what is premeditation? You're a lawyer. This should be easy.

 

[S.A.M.]

I wonder what Israelis think of the shooting and killing of the activists on board the flotilla by their "commandos"