ask any fire fighter about this and get some answers from informed sources.
buildings on fire can, and do, make booming noises, even when they aren't falling.
WTC Building 7 on 9/11
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buildings on fire can, and do, make booming noises, even when they aren't falling.
WTC 1 and 2 did not fall to the ground like a controlled demolition.
they did not start to fall like a controlled demolition.
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BlueMoose
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-Its funny when I bring eyewitnesses including firemans whom are speaking secondary devices and bombs in the building it doesnt count much, and then you bring arguments like this (?) how I´m supposed to take you seriously ?
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Buffalo Roam
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What eye witness?
I have some expertise in blowing thinks to hell and gone or dropping thing in a precise manner, and I know how much preparation it take to make a controlled drop, to place a object in a specific spot with explosives. I have never done a controlled building demolition but I have blown up buildings in training exercises, and even to just blow up a building take a lot of explosives, place in the proper location.
I have also heard steel break, Cables from a VTR, during the recovery of a
M-60 and those sounder like a 105mm cannon, if you want a little experiment take a paper cup and put it mouth down on a flat surface, and then stomp on it you can get a very loud bang, it was as trick that we used to do in grade school science, it works on the same principal as a balloon went it breaks, now how much over pressure was exerted by the upper floors collapsing on the lower floors, and with the windows still in place tell me what is going to happen, just like squeezing a balloon, or stomping on a paper cup, when they fail structurally, you are going to have a loud boom.
simple.
ask yourself the following question.
1. do buildings have pressurized containers?
things such as:
air conditioners, dehumidifiers, fire extinguishers, computer monitors.
ALL of the above will explode making a booming noise when heated.
anything else i can help you with?
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BlueMoose
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-Go trough my post and links provided, its all there.
-I have some expertise on explotions too, but since I´m not EXPERT I leave the explaining to experts,
which you can find in my posts and links too.
-When my bicycles tire did explode it did make very loud bang too, so what ?
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BlueMoose
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-Well, ask yourself this question, doesnt almost every big buildings have those too, still in history of steel building on fire/damaged those things never causes the building collapse just like it would be demolished.
-Go through the clips I provided, your are offering far out explanations.
i never said those things made the building collapse.-Well, ask yourself this question, doesnt almost every big buildings have those too, still in history of steel building on fire/damaged those things never causes the building collapse just like it would be demolished.
you mentioned explosions were heard.
i gave you an explanation for them.
i've been watching averys video since day one, frankly it's getting old.
and there is nothing farout about my explanations except they didn't come from a conspiracy website.
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BlueMoose
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-So you are saying that when eyewitnesses are talking about BIG EXPLOSIONS
that there were just some monitors and other devices popping due fire ?
-Oh well, thats is just first class reasoning.
amoung other things, yes.-So you are saying that when eyewitnesses are talking about BIG EXPLOSIONS
that there were just some monitors and other devices popping due fire ?
stand on your own two legs for a change.
watch the collapse of WTC 1 and 2, then watch the collapse of a controlled demolition.
note any similarities or differences.
draw your conclusions.
case closed.
Buffalo Roam
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-Well, ask yourself this question, doesnt almost every big buildings have those too, still in history of steel building on fire/damaged those things never causes the building collapse just like it would be demolished.
-Go through the clips I provided, your are offering far out explanations.
No you are offering far out explanations, and conspiracy theory, and you continue to dismiss the major factor here, and that was a 136 ton projectile at 550knt's and 11466 gal. U.S. 43400 L. of jet fuel, and a penetration through the buildings, and two 110 story buildings and all of the debris that comes from their collapse, they just didn't fall into a neat little pile of broken pieces, if you care to notice the top of the towers moved out of alignment with the bottom of the towers, and all of they material had to go some were, and the WTC 1 and 2 were surrounded by the rest of the WTC complex, Tower One collapsed to the N.E. into WTC 6, and both spilled into the bottom of WTC 7.
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BlueMoose
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leopold99
stand on your own two legs for a change.
watch the collapse of WTC 1 and 2, then watch the collapse of a controlled demolition. note any similarities or differences.
draw your conclusions.
case closed.
-Wasnt this topic about WTC 7 ? Yes, I have been watching and providing lots of stuff about controlled demolitions and experts opinions about demolitions
Buffalo Roam
No you are offering far out explanations, and conspiracy theory, and you continue to dismiss the major factor here, and that was a 136 ton projectile at 550knt's and 11466 gal. U.S. 43400 L. of jet fuel, and a penetration through the buildings, and two 110 story buildings and all of the debris that comes from their collapse, they just didn't fall into a neat little pile of broken pieces, if you care to notice the top of the towers moved out of alignment with the bottom of the towers, and all of they material had to go some were, and the WTC 1 and 2 were surrounded by the rest of the WTC complex, Tower One collapsed to the N.E. into WTC 6, and both spilled into the bottom of WTC 7.
-You are confused somehow now, I´ve been arguing about WTC 7 all the time,
so your comments serves no purpose what so ever. I´ve not dismiss in this thread anything you offered
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stand on your own two legs for a change.
watch the collapse of WTC 1 and 2, then watch the collapse of a controlled demolition. note any similarities or differences.
draw your conclusions.
case closed.
-Wasnt this topic about WTC 7 ? Yes, I have been watching and providing lots of stuff about controlled demolitions and experts opinions about demolitions
Buffalo Roam
No you are offering far out explanations, and conspiracy theory, and you continue to dismiss the major factor here, and that was a 136 ton projectile at 550knt's and 11466 gal. U.S. 43400 L. of jet fuel, and a penetration through the buildings, and two 110 story buildings and all of the debris that comes from their collapse, they just didn't fall into a neat little pile of broken pieces, if you care to notice the top of the towers moved out of alignment with the bottom of the towers, and all of they material had to go some were, and the WTC 1 and 2 were surrounded by the rest of the WTC complex, Tower One collapsed to the N.E. into WTC 6, and both spilled into the bottom of WTC 7.
-You are confused somehow now, I´ve been arguing about WTC 7 all the time,
so your comments serves no purpose what so ever. I´ve not dismiss in this thread anything you offered
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BlueMoose
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BlueMoose,
If there was a controlled demolition how were the explosives planted? And why didn't anyone see them on that day?
I do know that those jets could have taken the buidings down on their own, and they did.
And finally, what do you make of the first attempt a few years prior?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center_bombing
If there was a controlled demolition how were the explosives planted? And why didn't anyone see them on that day?
I do know that those jets could have taken the buidings down on their own, and they did.
And finally, what do you make of the first attempt a few years prior?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center_bombing
i'll be honest.-Yes, it most certainly does
building 7 is the only part of this that i cannot resolve.
all of the rest follows the official stand, matches the testimony given, and agrees with the evidence.
except WTC7.
it is indeed a mystery.
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BlueMoose
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-Go to post 114.
-Quite few firemans were talking about secondary devices and bombs in the building, go through the links I provided.
-I´m sorry but I believe more the experts on that issue than you.
-What about it ? I havent study it much, so I cant say nothing important about that.
-But what you think about the Oklahoma bombing, look that picture and the size of that hole, now imagine the building raging in full fire and then, can you imagine it fallin in freefall speed to its own footprint. I cant.
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Heve you ever heard of seismic vibrations?
Oklahoma City was entirely different and cannot be used as a comparison.
I am curious as to how a team would not only get into the building with what would have to be a fairly large number of explosives, have the time to plant them and how on that day when the building was occupied by thousands of people that no one would know anything. Not even maintenance people, you know that buidings like that especially in Manhattan do not really shut down or empty entirely of people and are usually very secure - actual security guards and logs are kept.
So go ahead explain all that.
Oklahoma City was entirely different and cannot be used as a comparison.
I am curious as to how a team would not only get into the building with what would have to be a fairly large number of explosives, have the time to plant them and how on that day when the building was occupied by thousands of people that no one would know anything. Not even maintenance people, you know that buidings like that especially in Manhattan do not really shut down or empty entirely of people and are usually very secure - actual security guards and logs are kept.
So go ahead explain all that.
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You do realise the explosives would have had to be planted in both buildings for this whole plan to work because what if something went wrong and the towers did not come down would they just leave all the explosives in place?
And what would the incentive be to take down WTC7? What purpose would it serve if it was intentional? You dont have to answer that question because there really is no answer to that question
And what would the incentive be to take down WTC7? What purpose would it serve if it was intentional? You dont have to answer that question because there really is no answer to that question
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BlueMoose
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Johnn99
Heve you ever heard of seismic vibrations?
Oklahoma City was enrirely different and cannot be used as a comparison.
I am curious as to how a team would not only get into the building with what would have to be a fairly large number of explosives, have the time to plant them and how on that day when the building was occupied by thousands of people that no one would know anything. Not even maintenance people, you know that buidings like that especially in Manhattan do not really shut down or empty entirely of people and are usually very secure.
So go ahead explain all that.
-Why those bombs had to be implanted in that day, why not week, month, year earlier ?
-I dont like to speculate too much on that issue, why, I explained in post 114.
-And about that picture from Oklahoma, that building was far more damaged than WTC 7, no matter how intense fire we would put it, it just wouldnt crash freefall speed, it would burn and crumble little by little.
-Your side of the camp first said there were no explosions, so I wonder how badly that WTC 7 was build that it can be collapsed by fire in freefall speed. Now we can agree that there were explosions ? Or was it the seismic vibrations that done it ? Vibrations from where ?
Heve you ever heard of seismic vibrations?
Oklahoma City was enrirely different and cannot be used as a comparison.
I am curious as to how a team would not only get into the building with what would have to be a fairly large number of explosives, have the time to plant them and how on that day when the building was occupied by thousands of people that no one would know anything. Not even maintenance people, you know that buidings like that especially in Manhattan do not really shut down or empty entirely of people and are usually very secure.
So go ahead explain all that.
-Why those bombs had to be implanted in that day, why not week, month, year earlier ?
-I dont like to speculate too much on that issue, why, I explained in post 114.
-And about that picture from Oklahoma, that building was far more damaged than WTC 7, no matter how intense fire we would put it, it just wouldnt crash freefall speed, it would burn and crumble little by little.
-Your side of the camp first said there were no explosions, so I wonder how badly that WTC 7 was build that it can be collapsed by fire in freefall speed. Now we can agree that there were explosions ? Or was it the seismic vibrations that done it ? Vibrations from where ?