Would you peel the skin off of a newborn baby?

[Gustav]

i reject the bullshit choice
crap bourne out of rhetoric

fatalism is the condition
eyeball the grim reaper and follow him
with head held up high

 

[Gustav]

now
crunchy

anymore random formulations?

/spits

 

[greenberg]

I agree with you then, considering the OP, it's stupid.. not hypocritical.
But to only believe in God in difficult times as per post 21, is certainly hypocritical..

No, read again:

A case can be made that in demanding circumstances (such as war, famine, natural catastrophe, terrorist attack ...)
the person who is habituated to pursue thinking of themselves as sinful, fallible or even evil, and helpless without a higher power (a stance often held by some theists)
will be more likely to succomb to the pressure and commit an ethically reprehensible act
in comparison to the person who is habituated to pursue thinking of themselves as competent and to rely on themselves (a stance often held by some non-theists).

I don't think you understood what I was saying.

Someone who regularly thinks of themselves as lowly, fallible, worthless and helpless if they don't have some external help, will likely not develop self-confidence and competence.

In everyday life, this might not always be such a problem; they can still get by.
But when the going gets tough, this lack of self-confidence and competence will show in that the person will be more likely to succomb to pressure and commit ethically reprehensible acts.

I think it is important than one be able to trust oneself to do the right thing no matter what, good times or bad times.
I argue that if a person believes in God, this can undermine this person's ability to have this sort of self-trust.

 

[Enmos]

No, read again:



I don't think you understood what I was saying.

Someone who regularly thinks of themselves as lowly, fallible, worthless and helpless if they don't have some external help, will likely not develop self-confidence and competence.

In everyday life, this might not always be such a problem; they can still get by.
But when the going gets tough, this lack of self-confidence and competence will show in that the person will be more likely to succomb to pressure and commit ethically reprehensible acts.

I think it is important than one be able to trust oneself to do the right thing no matter what, good times or bad times.
I argue that if a person believes in God, this can undermine this person's ability to have this sort of self-trust.

Ah yes, I apologize. I misunderstood

 

[Crunchy Cat]

Effin' meow, baby! Who the f@ck sharpened your claws tonight?

Hahahah.

Um ... would you believe you haven't an appropriate answer for me, suffice to say it's a big freakin' "No"?

There are likely millions of options not listed and I chose some of the low hanging fruit.

 

[Crunchy Cat]

Why would any sane individual want to peel the skin off of a newborn?

The answer might be revealed in the poll results.

And what does belief in religion have to do with it?

The majority of religions come with one or more omnipotent life forms demanding some form of obedience. Most if not all of those life forms have been claimed to demand and receive child sacrafice.

 

[SnakeLord]

I think I answered wrong.

I would most likely peel the skin off a newborn baby if my life or the life of my loved ones depended upon it. When I made the choice I was under the impression it was my baby in which case I wouldn't.

 

[Crunchy Cat]

Would would would.

When asked directly, few people would admit to being willing to do so.

But in reality, when certain circumstances strike, people actually do things that before they would have never thought they are able to do them.

Thanks. The poll (thanks to its enablement by plazma) is anonymous so both theists and non-theists can answer truthfully and anonymously. You are correct that what people often do is different than what they think they would do; however, the latter is useful as a measurment of intent whereas the former would be a measurment of result.

 

[Enmos]

I think I answered wrong.

I would most likely peel the skin off a newborn baby if my life or the life of my loved ones depended upon it. When I made the choice I was under the impression it was my baby in which case I wouldn't.

Hmm interesting twist.. :scratchin:

 

[Crunchy Cat]

I think I answered wrong.

I would most likely peel the skin off a newborn baby if my life or the life of my loved ones depended upon it. When I made the choice I was under the impression it was my baby in which case I wouldn't.

Thanks for the clarification. It's actually a very hard set of questions to answer when you get right down to it.

 

[Crunchy Cat]

Ok. Poll has been added. I made some slight modifications, but I think that point is understandable.

Ty Plazma.

* Note: Also, I expect the reason for opening this thread, i.e. Why this question has been raised (you heard about that in the news, you will provide us with info about known religious rites which involve peeling the skin off of the newborn babies, etc.). Otherwise I see no purpose in the thread existence.

Of course. The purpose is to measure destructive human intent with respect to perceived authority and circumstance.

 

[Crunchy Cat]

I suspect it's the latest attempt to bypass real discussion of the nature of calamity by straw manning religion

Take the poll LG. It's anonymous after all.

 

[Crunchy Cat]

Sometimes you just like, need to nosh on something, you know?

Haha Xev, I should have included the baby jerky option... I just knew it.

 

[greenberg]

The poll doesn't offer the option
"I would peel the skin off a (my) newborn baby if my life depended on it".

There are terrible things I might do to save myself, but that I would not do to save others.

 

[Crunchy Cat]

What the fuck kind of question is that !? lol
Of course I would not, never..
If God revealed himself to me one day and said he wanted me to do that, I would tell him toigo fuck himself..

Thank you Enmos. It is interesting that you would defy an omnipotent life forms wishes.

 

[Crunchy Cat]

The poll doesn't offer the option
"I would peel the skin off a (my) newborn baby if my life depended on it".

There are terrible things I might do to save myself, but that I would not do to save others.

Yep, true. There are quite a few options the poll doesn't cover.

 

[Crunchy Cat]

A case can be made that in demanding circumstances (such as war, famine, natural catastrophe, terrorist attack ...)
the person who is habituated to pursue thinking of themselves as sinful, fallible or even evil, and helpless without a higher power (a stance often held by some theists)
will be more likely to succomb to the pressure and commit an ethically reprehensible act
in comparison to the person who is habituated to pursue thinking of themselves as competent and to rely on themselves (a stance often held by some non-theists).

It would seem a reasonable case to be made.

 

[Crunchy Cat]

No, unless unlike Orleander said, it was a dead one and I had to autopsy it.

And yeah if God ever appeared to me I'd tell him to fucking kiss my ass.

Thanks Visceral. That's another vote for defying an omnipotent life form.

 

[Crunchy Cat]

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M*W: The poll is flawed. It should have included:

1) "peel the skin off a child;"
2) "peel the skin off of a pre-teen;"
3) "peel the skin off of a teenager;"
4) "peel the skin off of all my adult children."

My answer would have been yes to #3 and #4.

Hahah

 

[greenberg]

Thanks Visceral. That's another vote for defying an omnipotent life form.

An omnipotent life form cannot really be defied.
An evil omnipotent God could mess with your mind and make you do awful things.