ChristoferPoole
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Oh! I'm questioning my own perception that I thought 'I come to clean zee pool' was a dick'ead incognito!
Seriously, wake up a bit earlier!
i am cognito
Oh! I'm questioning my own perception that I thought 'I come to clean zee pool' was a dick'ead incognito!
Seriously, wake up a bit earlier!
i am cognito
"They're not keeping us out of the pool," Altorfer said. "This granny got mad."
Deep Thought said:
Err....'us'?
Am I the only one who finds this white grannies outrage somewhat disingenuous?
Would you suggest, however, that she send the kids to swim in the pool unsupervised?
An apology from Tiassa, Spud and Simon to those
So apparently this 'Pool closed' thing is an internet meme, NOT something which was invented by a racist white to keep that granny's black kids (exclusively) out of the pool.
An apology from Tiassa, Spud and Simon to those individuals who they belittled for not immediately assuming 'OMG RACISM!' might be appropriate, yes?
I'm not holding my breath, though.
Lepustimidus: So apparently this 'Pool closed' thing is an internet meme, NOT something which was invented by a racist white to keep that granny's black kids (exclusively) out of the pool.
An apology from Tiassa, Spud and Simon to those individuals who they belittled for not immediately assuming 'OMG RACISM!' might be appropriate, yes?
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Moo2400: Not so fast, MH. After all, they can still argue that despite whatever intention the person who posted the sign had, it's still racist simply because there's a black guy with an afro in the picture. And you know that that's just what they'll do.
Angrybellsprout said:
I think what Tiassa means by saying that the sign is racist is that if the black man in the suit said that the pool was closed, then obviously he is only talking to the other blacks because Tiassa believes that whites don't need to give a damn about what a black man has to say.
Oh you say the pool is closed, but you're black so fuck off.
Right Tiassa?
Lepustimidus said:
In fact, I could take your bullshit logic further, and claim that the flier is sexist. After all, the person depicted on the poster was a black male. Hence you should conclude that the pool was closed exclusively to black males. So technically, this granny shouldn't have given a shit.
Angrybellsprout said:
Funny that the only blacks in the housing area were the grandchildren of that mestizo woman, yet someone else called to ask if the pool was closed?
Get over yourself racist idiot.
(Boldfaced accent added)
Lepustimidus said:
Congratulations at missing the point, as usual. Looks like you need to be added to the list of moderators who can't spot a parody when it bites you in the ass. Perhaps you wouldn't find a parody so difficult to comprehend had you not flunked out of community college.
I snipped the rest of your garbage. Actually, allow me to correct that. As your entire post was garbage, it's more accurate to say I snipped the final bit where you were doing your routine posturing and sabre rattling. *yawn*
Angrybellsprout: The people who put it up were most likely Nazis with Hitler posters all over their house and Swastikas in their front yard. The city that this took place in, which is just like 30miles directly north of San Antonio, is in the middle of the German Belt afterall.
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Moo2400: That has to be the reason! I see no other alternatives, thus it must be correct. All other alternatives that everyone else suggests must be bullshit. There's just no other explanation.
Lepustimidus said:
*chuckle* Do they make your ass sore as well?
Moo2400 said:
Are you going to stop your lying now and quit pretending that you haven't been trying to lead people to believe that the picture is implied racism?
Which suggests to me that you believe that this is an obvious example of racism. But wait, you offered another alternative? That they're just clueless? Sounds to me that you still believe that the sign implies racism and is thus racist, and since you can't think of any possible alternative that it's guilty of racism until proven innocent (despite the fact that this article is obviously lacking in every detail necessary to form a solid conclusion).
So are you going to stop with the dishonesty now?
Does it have to exactly be a bouncer? I merely said that it resembles a bouncer. Which means bouncer form, but not bouncer size. It's certainly a good GTFO face, in my opinion, and thus I'd say it serves its purpose for getting through the idea that the pool is closed. The racism is only there if you try to see it.
Given the fact that all the article mentions is speculation, it's no surprise that Abs, MH, and I offer no alternatives. To even suggest an alternative at all giving these lack of details is rather presumptuous and again, fitting the story into your pre-conceived notion of what's going on.
Angrybellsprout said:
Maybe it just isn't racism Tiassa, or can you just not imagine a world where every non-black person, see white in your bigoted view, isn't out to destory every black they come across?
Angrybellsprout said:
Is there ever a time when you think rational consideration has merit, or is it all hyperbole, all the time?
Angrybellsprout said:
When you start to have any level of rational consideration, then I might think that there is some merit to it. Instead you just push more and more bullshit, though can we expect any less from a known racist, err liberal, such as yourself?
Moo2400 said:
Indeed, however I feel it necessary to remind you that in a picture like this, size is not a necessary factor in giving the impression of something like a bouncer. All one needs is merely the idea of it and that is enough ....
.... Why must it be compared to anything?
And yet again Tiassa refuses to link the sign to racism, but as always has to take up a significant amount of server space in the process of saying nothing at all.
And what reasoning do you have to back yourself up with this? The fact that there's a black person on a sign that says "POOL CLOSED"? Which somehow suggests discrimination or something negative against blacks? What is it suggesting, Tiassa? How can you reasonably make this link?
Moo2400 said:
I'm honestly curious. I reject your interpretation of the poster because I see no reason to believe that it is racist, just as you seem to see no reason to believe that it is not racist. So please, Tiassa, enlighten me to this connection you make, and please do so clearly. I do not enjoy long and drawn out responses which say very little for I value my precious time.
I believe you asked me why I would I think that the black man in the poster has a "GTFO" face, did you not? Arms crossed with a confident looking face tends to create the perception that this man is very sure of himself that there is no getting through him. With the text "POOL CLOSED" added to it, it gives the viewer the sense that this word is final and uncompromising - combine that with the cheap suit (which I personally find bouncers tend to have), and you get the sense that this pool is off limits, no question about it. Just as how a bouncer will kick you out of the strip bar if you begin causing a ruckus - no room for compromise here. You either play by the bouncer's rules, or you're out.
The only reason why I can see you making the sign out to be racist is simply because it displays a black person.
However, Tiassa, I ask you - why not a black person? A white person, an Asian person, an Indian person - any person is capable of giving this same expression.
I see no reason to connect it to racism simply because the person in the sign is black, which is why I'd honestly like to hear how you make this connection, for I am lost trying to do so.
In the first place, I reiterate the point that I've implied, that the incident does not exist in a circumstantial vacuum. This is an overwhelmingly white neighborhood in a place where racial tensions are known to run high. It is suggested that the only nonwhites using the pool in recent days were these particular children. The fact that the pool was not actually closed is also relevant. Sure, it's not a clear-cut issue like burning a cross on someone's lawn, but the execution of an obscure joke without regard to environment and circumstances is one easy way to inflame tensions.
Secondly, it should be pointed out that you are misrepresenting the issue. As I posted originally, and reminded twice since—sorry you missed it—it seemed very difficult to figure a reason for the sign that isn't racist. This point, combined with the sentence that followed it, "Certainly, there are possible explanations, such as someone with absolutely no clue about civics and American history thinking he'd written a great joke and having no idea that he could possibly offend someone", would seem to contradict your assertion that I see no reason to believe that the sign is not racist.
Third, if your time is so precious, we might wonder why you would spend it here in the first place. Either way, welcome to the lunatic asylum. You seem to be getting the hang of this place.
Did you ever see Beverly Hills Cop? I ask because for some reason, Bronson Pinchot's role as Serge came to mind as I read through the above paragraph. Arms crossed and an air of confidence do not a GTFO face make.
To the other, though, bouncers are a subjective issue insofar as the strip clubs I fancied in Oregon, and even the one I occasionally worked for (technically, as a bouncer) never bothered with suits.
There are, as I have suggested, other circumstances to consider.
Why not? That depends entirely on who your audience is, and that in and of itself remains a question. But given the circumstances that you seem reluctant—at best—to acknowledge, using a black man is a tremendous risk.
I think the biggest obstacle to understanding how people could find such a stunt racist is your disregard for broader circumstances.
There are places where the joke might play better, but not in a place like this. It's a Texas community without much of a black presence. The joke, in its most innocent interpretation, does not seem to consider civics and American history, does not seem to be cognizant of its potential for offense.
This is an overwhelmingly white neighborhood in a place where racial tensions are known to run high.
The fact that the pool was not actually closed is also relevant.
Sure, it's not a clear-cut issue like burning a cross on someone's lawn
Secondly, it should be pointed out that you are misrepresenting the issue.
"Certainly, there are possible explanations, such as someone with absolutely no clue about civics and American history thinking he'd written a great joke and having no idea that he could possibly offend someone"
That depends entirely on who your audience is, and that in and of itself remains a question. But given the circumstances that you seem reluctant—at best—to acknowledge, using a black man is a tremendous risk.
I think the biggest obstacle to understanding how people could find such a stunt racist is your disregard for broader circumstances.
The joke, in its most innocent interpretation, does not seem to consider civics and American history, does not seem to be cognizant of its potential for offense.
Moo2400 said:
So you suggest that the context surrounding the situation is what spins this sign from a stupid joke to a racist joke.
I'm not misrepresenting anything at all - in fact, what you said only supports my assertion that you believe that the sign is racist no matter what the reason.
Note what I bolded - you're convinced that this sign is racist no matter what the intent, for you say that they'd have to be ignorant of American civics if they do not believe that it's racist.
What you acknowledge is that the people who put up the sign might not necessarily be racist, but the sign itself is still racist given the context.
Let's just say that it was a hint that I believe you can be more concise.
Afraid I've never seen Beverly Hills Cop, and you're right - arms crossed and an air of confidence does not make a GTFO face, however, the text "POOL CLOSED" does. The text completely changes the meaning of the picture.
But seriously, man, if it was a picture of "Serge", I would probably laugh at the pretense, although we might be able to make an issue out of whether the sign was intended to discriminate against the local flaming-gay art gallery director.
Eh, I was referring to the crappy suit my step-brother wore when he worked as a bouncer in Seattle and my experience with bouncers around there. I'd imagine the dressing code would vary.
Indeed, though I still fail to see why it would necessarily be racist, even given the context. Predominantly white and a growing Mexican community, right? Long American history of discrimination topped off with some slavery against the black man, no? Black kids swiming in the pool for a week before the sign was posted, am I correct?
Now, perhaps the reasons for posting the sign could be racist for all I know, however even given the context, I still don't see the racism. I just see a black man with an afro above the text "POOL CLOSED." The sign itself does not necessarily suggest anything negative to blacks, does it? Could you please point me out where it does? It does not say that the pool is closed only to black people, but rather, to all people.
I cannot tell you how many times I've had to tiptoe on eggshells when mentioning black people in person ....
... and it does not surprise me that this sign itself could be misconstrued as racist, but my argument is that the sign itself is not racist, even when the context is taken into consideration.
The people who posted it may have done so for racist reasons, however, that does not make the sign itself racist.
Oh, I certainly see it, however that doesn't make the sign itself racist.
The sign's message does not change regardless of context and moreover, it does not inherently suggest anything negative about black people, however the reasoning somebody may put it up there might. The two are rather important distinctions to make.
I suppose it would largely depend on the community's perception of black people in general as to whether the black person in the sign is negative or is just as he is, huh? I suppose then you could say that the sign is being interpreted in a racist manner, however, that does not make the sign racist itself, for this is a problem with the community in question as opposed to the average viewer of the sign.
Angrybellsprout said:
No it doesn't. The pool was as closed to everyone else as it was to those two black children. Until you can prove that the person who called in to ask if the pool was black, then you are just being full of blatiant bullshit.
Of course, when it's Don King, or whoever, telling you, "Pool's closed", it might occur to someone to wonder why. Why not Colson Whitehead, or Barack Obama? A black man with a bad afro and a crappy suit, pushing a message that is far from professionally communicated, printed on three-punch paper has some pretty deliberate implications.
And go ahead, if it makes you feel better, to wring your hands over how the flier so unfairly victimized men. I care. Really, I do.
It is almost striking that you have no valid alternative to offer. But that's pretty much the way of things, isn't it? You can call bullshit all you want, Lepus, but you're not really offering anything substantial, are you?
Right. Using a ridiculous picture of a goofy looking black man that includes certain stereotypes (bad hair, cheap suit) does not necessarily suggest anything negative to blacks.
Lepustimidus said:
So I take it that an apology isn't forthcoming? I mean, you posted a lot of irrelevant bullshit, I thought you'd eventually get around to something relevant (hint: apologising for fucking up.)
As to your denials, I refer you dismissively to your following post
While in your original post you did postulate that perhaps the individual in question did not even racist intentions and was just stupid, you did quite clearly imply that this was 'unlikely', and subscribed to the position that the individual was racist. You also made it clear in the original post, as well as the one quoted above, that the flier was inherently racist.
Also note how you belittled me simply for pointing out that you were being your typical presumptious self by assuming that the flier had racist connotations.
Finally, note how my post is far more concise than yours. I guess that's one of the benefits of being employed.
By the way, Tiassa, are you willing to acknowledge that the flier is a popular internet meme? You seem to be skirting around that simple little fact.
NO NIGGERS
The Habbo Way is in all respects a set of hidden rules that, in short, say that if you are a dark-skinned man of possible African-American decent, you are to be banned at the stake by the crack moderation staff. So, playing a black Habbo, especially one with a suit on and an afro, will usually get you banned if the Moderators catch you.
Around the pools in Habbo Hotel, there are these signs that say "WHITES ONLY" and "NO NIGGERS" on them. This is because, as the old Habbo Moderator saying goes, "Dem niggers ain't allowed in this here pool because these damn coons carry the AIDS."
The Habbo Civil Rights Movement
For years now, the Habbo Hotel has been getting raided by a rogue team of United Internets Special Forces who protest Habbo and its racist way. These brave men in uniform carry out their counterproductive raids, in which dark skinned men with afros in Armani suits storm the building and deny children access to the pool, occasionally stopping to kick sand in their faces. Some argue that this benevolent display of black pride is the Habbo world's equivalent of the American Civil Rights Movement of the 1960's, but with opposite results. Habbo shows no signs of removing its racist policies, and usually if a dark-skinned but overall innocent player is in the same room as an organized protester, he or she is immediately racially profiled and subsequently banned, regardless of their behavior.
(Encyclopedia Dramatica)
Well we can't abide by
can't find the terms
if that don't suit ya ur a fag
Pool’s closed in Habbo
Pool’s closed due to AIDS
Pool’s been blocked by Nigras
(ibid)
No, it suggests something negative to men.