Re: Re: Re: Why the skeptics fear UFOs, AKA The debunkers have something to hide
Originally posted by Ivan Seeking
However, aside from the claim that something very unusual and highly energetic flies around the sky at times, I try very hard to remain neutral.
It's not even neccessarily that though. Most likely it is a group of reasons including: misidentified 'normal' objects, people seeing things, atmospheric conditions, hoaxes... They are the only 4 I can think of that are actually proven. The point is, the remainder are just as likely (if not more so) to be so form of atmospheric energy, which doesn't even involve energetic matter flying about. Hell, it needn't even be energetic.
I see very little correlation to free energy devices and UFOs. There is no reason to consider any free energy machine that one can't turn on, inspect, and test.
Likewise, there is no reason to consider a UFO which I can't turn on, inspect, and test. I am not drawing the correlation between UFOs and free energy, but a comparison between ET based UFOs and free energy.
UFOs on the other hand are rare, typically brief in appearance, and not repeatable by nature.
Just like free energy. It never seems to work when people are looking
My motives are clear; I just want to know what they are.
But how do you actually do that? You will NEVER be able to identify a cause, because all you can really do is guess, imagine, and knockout possibilities. Without creating or having whatever a UFO is, you can not test it, reproduce it, or anything vaguely relating to science. All that radar and the like tells us is that 'something' is there. It doesn't give us any hints as to what. As such, I think this line of research is interesting... but a dead end.
Why should I have to put up with people like Q for having this interest?
Viewing this from the outside, you both seem to step over the line at times (although Q more so). It's understandable, as we've all done it. Threads like this don't help your case any though.
There is plenty of evidence
Evidence of what? I have never seen enough information that provided anything except 'UFOs exist'. That doesn't do any good in identifying them.
I have posted the Iran document a number of times but no one responds.
If I recall correctly, it was fighter dispatched which were dirupted when they got to a certain range. Great, but it doesn't actually provide us with enough information to do anything with. It once again just says UFOs exist.
So, is the UFO culture growing larger or getting smaller?
Hehe, damn X-files
We Ufologist put up with a lot of personal attacks
agreed
Something unusual must be flying around from time to time. To me this conclusion seems unavoidable.
I think 'flying' may be a stretch, but it's a minor one.
I can sympathize with the ET crowd, but that is just too far of a stretch for me unless ET lands in my pasture or next to Tom Brokaw on the evening news.
Lol. Agreed. Glad to know you're not a kook.
Also, you know that skeptics and debunkers use language like "nuts" ," fanatics" etc, etc, etc, with reckless disregard for any respectful discourse. This is just, somehow, by whatever rationalization, OK.
Well, many of them are "nuts" ," fanatics" etc, etc, etc... so yes it is OK
Look at MacM in the physics forum. I and MANY others have tried to explain basic physics to him over and over. He is most definetely a "fanatic" and his lack of reasoning skills makes him "nuts". The problem is that you have to give people a chance. It's fine to call someone a nut, but only if you have evidence to back it up.
In general, I think this thread is off base... and is no better than people trying to demonize someone who if interested in UFOs 'just because'. That said, I think we generaly agree that some of the debunking methods being used are offbase.