/I just find it extremely credible, and needs to be put in the unknown pile along with other credible evidence.
I'd agree with that in that I don't think they were necessarily deliberately trying to hoax anyone. Of course I can't be sure of that but I doubt it. I honestly don't think most of the "victims" or people who have had "encounters" are deliberately hoaxing stuff at all.
/I do think there might be some things about this incident that you're unaware of.
/1. There were 5 other guys with Travis Walton at the time.
I knew that. But it's my understanding that they were "in the area" rather than RIGHT with him. Even if he WERE picked up I don't think it's necessarily extra-terrestrial. I doubt the gov has that kind of tech, but if he really got picked up like that, somebody has the tech. It's neither here nor there though without hard evidence to support it.
/2. They have all given the same story as to what they saw. They saw a large craft hovering over their friend shinning a light on him. They then drove off in fear leaving their friend behind.
I thought that was the deal but I couldn't remember. Still, could have been a helicopter, who knows. Maybe they were on mescaline. Maybe it was someone experimenting with illusions. Hard to say. Could have been a third party hoax. That would keep it 'credible'.
/3. They have taken many lie detector test over the years and ALL 5 eyewitnesses (Aside from Travis Walton himself) have passed them all. Travis Walton doesn't remember much of his experience.
I knew that part for sure. Again, I doubt they are purposefully lying.
/4. None of these guys has ever attempted to gain monetarily from this incident. They actually prefer to be left alone about it.
I knew that. But publishers, well, and everyone in the chain of books/movies makers blah blah, everyone in the "industry" actually has a LOT to gain from their misfortune, as it is one of the most popular cases ever.
/Now, abductions is really not my thing. In fact, outside of this one, and a few other interesting cases, I generally don't follow this information. I'm more into the whole Military/Intelligence aspect of the subject. But, this is one abduction incident that has witnesses.
Certainly. It's somewhat interesting, I'm not saying that, it's just that I'd bet the reality of it is much more mundane than I'd prefer it to be.
/Regarding your Elvis joke.... Many of us who've followed this subject over the years have been confronted with those who laugh at the notion of this subject being taken seriously.
Well, I make the jokes because I'm a dork. Did you not read my signature? Hello? Hehe. Come on damnit.
/For those of us who do take it seriously, it gets a little old after awhile. I've heard them all.... the Elvis is with the Aliens, Heavens Gate, ect.... The kooks really give it a bad name.
If you're gonna be involved in this kind of shit, you think it's healthy for you to get offended at stupid elvis jokes? You can't take this shit too seriously or it will chew you up and spit you out. Further, you shouldn't judge a skeptic as a debunker just cuz of a damn elvis joke. You know how much shit I took on the playground for being a redhead? Hell man, you gotta learn to be able to laugh at yourself or you won't get a lot of credibilty with anyone.
/However, not all of us are kooks. I may have jumped the gun in labelling you, but you also did the same with labelling me a fanatic.
Maybe. I smell that you're taking it all way to seriously. IMO, that stinks of fanaticism a little.. but I now see you can be at minimum somewhat reasonable, and my suspicion of your fanaticism is somewhat decreased. I do still think though that you have to be able to joke about yourself as well as you'd joke about anyone else. Maybe you just don't have a dorky sense of humor like myself. If not, then we are bound to clash a bit simply by personality type.
Oh, and YOU might not be a kook, but if you can't see that the topic is at least a little kooky, then I'd suggest you step back and take a deep breath.
I'd agree with that in that I don't think they were necessarily deliberately trying to hoax anyone. Of course I can't be sure of that but I doubt it. I honestly don't think most of the "victims" or people who have had "encounters" are deliberately hoaxing stuff at all.
/I do think there might be some things about this incident that you're unaware of.
/1. There were 5 other guys with Travis Walton at the time.
I knew that. But it's my understanding that they were "in the area" rather than RIGHT with him. Even if he WERE picked up I don't think it's necessarily extra-terrestrial. I doubt the gov has that kind of tech, but if he really got picked up like that, somebody has the tech. It's neither here nor there though without hard evidence to support it.
/2. They have all given the same story as to what they saw. They saw a large craft hovering over their friend shinning a light on him. They then drove off in fear leaving their friend behind.
I thought that was the deal but I couldn't remember. Still, could have been a helicopter, who knows. Maybe they were on mescaline. Maybe it was someone experimenting with illusions. Hard to say. Could have been a third party hoax. That would keep it 'credible'.
/3. They have taken many lie detector test over the years and ALL 5 eyewitnesses (Aside from Travis Walton himself) have passed them all. Travis Walton doesn't remember much of his experience.
I knew that part for sure. Again, I doubt they are purposefully lying.
/4. None of these guys has ever attempted to gain monetarily from this incident. They actually prefer to be left alone about it.
I knew that. But publishers, well, and everyone in the chain of books/movies makers blah blah, everyone in the "industry" actually has a LOT to gain from their misfortune, as it is one of the most popular cases ever.
/Now, abductions is really not my thing. In fact, outside of this one, and a few other interesting cases, I generally don't follow this information. I'm more into the whole Military/Intelligence aspect of the subject. But, this is one abduction incident that has witnesses.
Certainly. It's somewhat interesting, I'm not saying that, it's just that I'd bet the reality of it is much more mundane than I'd prefer it to be.
/Regarding your Elvis joke.... Many of us who've followed this subject over the years have been confronted with those who laugh at the notion of this subject being taken seriously.
Well, I make the jokes because I'm a dork. Did you not read my signature? Hello? Hehe. Come on damnit.
/For those of us who do take it seriously, it gets a little old after awhile. I've heard them all.... the Elvis is with the Aliens, Heavens Gate, ect.... The kooks really give it a bad name.
If you're gonna be involved in this kind of shit, you think it's healthy for you to get offended at stupid elvis jokes? You can't take this shit too seriously or it will chew you up and spit you out. Further, you shouldn't judge a skeptic as a debunker just cuz of a damn elvis joke. You know how much shit I took on the playground for being a redhead? Hell man, you gotta learn to be able to laugh at yourself or you won't get a lot of credibilty with anyone.
/However, not all of us are kooks. I may have jumped the gun in labelling you, but you also did the same with labelling me a fanatic.
Maybe. I smell that you're taking it all way to seriously. IMO, that stinks of fanaticism a little.. but I now see you can be at minimum somewhat reasonable, and my suspicion of your fanaticism is somewhat decreased. I do still think though that you have to be able to joke about yourself as well as you'd joke about anyone else. Maybe you just don't have a dorky sense of humor like myself. If not, then we are bound to clash a bit simply by personality type.
Oh, and YOU might not be a kook, but if you can't see that the topic is at least a little kooky, then I'd suggest you step back and take a deep breath.
