do you have a point?But what are we bemoaning?
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You're right, lets not confuse terminology.
Why is gun control so difficult in the US?
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I'm trying figure out your point. Are you simply against the AR-15, or do you want a ban on all guns? As you have clearly illustrated, they are all semi-automatic. What is your position? So I know where you stand.
Gawdzilla Sama
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Lord, people, why not find out what defines "semi-automatic" before fighting to the death over the term.
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Why don't you enlighten us?
Not really. Not historically, anyway. It's been more like a small step.
Vociferous
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So more criminals should die? Vigilantism? There are more self-defense uses of guns, that don't result in a death, than crime committed with guns. They chose "criminals killed" to dishonestly play people for fools. Responsible gun owners are not chomping at the bit to kill someone. Often brandishing a gun will do the job. Especially when criminals may be expecting easy, unarmed targets.
Did I miss where that article suggested any alternative form of defense? Or was that an empty statement?
Who was in charge of training the King's militia?
Maybe it's just because some are criminals, who would just as easily use a knife or something. Are you trained in knife fighting?
States have powers not granted to the federal government. That was a concession made to get the Constitution ratified by the states.
You calling facts propaganda doesn't change them.
Yes, because I was so worried about having credibility with you. [/sarcasm] Until I see some evidence of your gun/Constitution knowledge, I'm not too concerned.
People who know better know that Trump is not ideologically conservative. He's a New Yorker first.
Guns can't act on their own, elephants can. Silly to conflate living and inanimate things.
You have no natural right to murder or rape. You do have a natural right to defend yourself from these.
Natural rights are negative rights that only require others not infringe them. They offer no advantage or entitlement over another.
Bullshit, other animals kill each other all the time, historically the murder rate for humans was rough 15% or 1 in 6 men was murdered (god only knows what percentage of women were raped), the only thing you are right about is one also has a right to defend themselves. The "natural" rights you speak of are artificial: there is no "not infringe" in nature, it is kill or be killed. Worse your "natural" rights are subjective as just about everything we do "infringes" on others, it is simply a matter of degrees.
Yeah well I don't see it happening in my life time.
He's fascist, like the rest of the Republican Party since 1980. The Republican Party has not been ideologically consistent since 1968 (fascism does not employ a consistent ideology per se).
That has nothing to do with the betrayal of the Republican groups who supported Trump - they are not betrayed ideologically, as they have no consistency, but personally, in that they thought they had a promise from Trump.
They have to be restricted to exist. No absolute natural right can exist among the people of a community.
You live in a pre-defended arrangement of society designed to forestall the event - lucky you. Don't screw around with it carelessly.
Come on man, how likely do you think it is 2/3 of the senate and the house or 3/4 of states will approve of an amendment to outlaw all guns? The last amendment ratified took 200 years from first proposal! The Equal Rights Amendment never passed, after nearly 100 years of trying. Meanwhile we can't even allow the CDC to study gun crimes!
So how about this for small steps:
1. Allow CDC to study gun crimes and gun crime reduction solutions, gather data on what works and what does not work and at what rate
2. Implement "common sense" solutions, like universal background checks and gun sale registrations
3. Register all guns such that illegal sale to criminals becomes harder.
132: ban all guns
Just 1-3. Is going to take many years if not decades. Pretty sure humans will be obsolete and replaced by transhuman cyborgs before guns are illegal in the USA!
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Guns, elephants and people can act any way they’re programmed to act.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Close-in_weapon_system
A gun is a weapon. A trained elephant is a weapon. A trained man is a weapon. A trained man with a gun is a weapon. A military armed with nuclear bombs is a weapon. Can you possibly imagine a necessity to regulate the use and possession of these weapons?
Gawdzilla Sama
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Have you by any chance looked into a term called "false equivalence"?
Gawdzilla Sama
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Yeah, one for each hand...
Do you own only 2 wrenches?
Gawdzilla Sama
Valued Senior Member
Again, false equivalence.
I haven’t read or heard so many whiny, depressed, hateful Liberals and Democrats since yesterday.
Gawdzilla Sama
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Yeah, that's me to a T. BTW, I've been an owner and shooter since 1965. I was on my third tour in S.E.A. when I got blown up too badly to continue there. Still did a full twenty in the USN after rehab. I currently own a fully functional and properly licensed Browning M2 .50 cal. heavy machine gun.
Just your typical whiny, depressed hateful Democrat.
Wanna cookie? Who carries it for you?