Why Homeopathy is getting more and more popular?
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Thanks Malik for pointing to even more humor.
If it can't change it isn't scientific.
I love the scene in the Holy Grail where the people in charge are leading through the crowd through the "logic" of the process to see if the woman is a witch. Reading about homeopathy is so similar.
This is like pyramid power, and other baloney. No modern evidence, but case studies from 200 years ago are always given. Are these claims true? Not important. What is important is the efficacy of today's treatments.
Let's see how long it takes the people on this thread to come up with a simple means to double blind this condition. Well, after they stop laughing.
:bugeye: This is like a scientist saying, "If one of our spacecrafts bumps into a crystal sphere, then our established science will be turned on its head."
Well it isn't due to scientific confirmation - that's for sure.
:bugeye: That's because there is nothing to report.
Thanks again to Malik for showing us how funny a belief in homeopathy actually is.
If it can't change it isn't scientific.
I love the scene in the Holy Grail where the people in charge are leading through the crowd through the "logic" of the process to see if the woman is a witch. Reading about homeopathy is so similar.
This is like pyramid power, and other baloney. No modern evidence, but case studies from 200 years ago are always given. Are these claims true? Not important. What is important is the efficacy of today's treatments.
Let's see how long it takes the people on this thread to come up with a simple means to double blind this condition. Well, after they stop laughing.
:bugeye: This is like a scientist saying, "If one of our spacecrafts bumps into a crystal sphere, then our established science will be turned on its head."
Well it isn't due to scientific confirmation - that's for sure.
:bugeye: That's because there is nothing to report.
Thanks again to Malik for showing us how funny a belief in homeopathy actually is.
Malik, once again you fail to provide the numbers. No numbers of users here and the number of practitioners given here does not agree with your other sources. None of these sources is authoritative.
You flunk just like homeopathy flunks.
the conventional medical establishment is intrinsically conservative, blinkered
and unreceptive to new ways of thinking. I think that its needs to be
a lot more open-minded and progressive. Accordinbg to fuller, scientist are not taught to be mentally flexible. Is it so?
and unreceptive to new ways of thinking. I think that its needs to be
a lot more open-minded and progressive. Accordinbg to fuller, scientist are not taught to be mentally flexible. Is it so?
kmguru
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More like Theta to 3X. It is not my standards. Chemicals have an effect on the body. But when those same chemicals to a point of one parts per trillion trillion, they do nothing.
For example Hypericum has active ingredient Hypericin. Hypericin may inhibit the action of the enzyme dopamine β-hydroxylase, leading to increased dopamine levels, although thus possibly decreasing norepinephrine and epinephrine.
But this only works at a therapeutic level - meaning using the mother tincture or concentration of 4:1 to 16:1 and not dilution.
However, while mother tincture of the plant may work such as the crude extract of Hypericum has weak receptor affinity for MAO-A and MAO B receptors. Isolated hypericin does not display this activity, but does have affinity for NMDA receptors.
This may be due to other ingredients in Hypericum that has not be isolated and studied.
It is like drinking Orange Juice verses taking Vitamin C tablets. Orange Juice has many more beneficial chemical than just one item, Vit C.
The Bottom Line is, there is no known bio-chemical process that would create a profound effect on a human body when you take one molecule of the Orange Juice or that one molecule in a 10 cc of water and take one drop from it.
It also flying against all common sense.
Ophiolite
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So how would you explain the many new techniques - diagnostic, surgical and pharmacalogical - that have been introduced over the last hundred years?
While we are waiting for a response to that one you might wish to consider that your repeated failure to answer direct questions directly does not appear to mentally flexible - unless you call wriggling out of a difficult position flexible.
http://www.mrw.interscience.wiley.com/cochrane/clsysrev/articles/CD000448/frame.html //hypericum, InterScience
can I assume that you all believe that surgery is unscientific quackery due to the lack of randomized double-blind placebo controlled trials? how come skeptics tend to ignore this?
kmguru
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What are you trying to prove? The link does not say parts per trillion works, does it?
I am just saying that Cochrane said that hypericum (homeopathic medicine) has shown results in patients of Depression
kmguru
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NO, Hypericum is a herbal medicine that is sold under its common name "St. Johns Wort" in the USA even in Wal-Mart. American Herbal formula is basically same as Ayurvedic Formula.
You should be ashamed of yourself peddling a white boy's vodoo medicine instead of your own country.:bawl:
And how did you get through a medical school without Bio-Chemistry?
The best Dr Malik has to offer is that sometimes, not always, studies suggest that homeopathy is better than placebos. Whooppeee do! That happens around 5% of time in studies done at the 95% confidence interval. So that is on the mark. Hence it means that the aggregated scientific position is that homeopathy is no different than a placebo.
Now if Malik can't figure that out it means going back to a intro stats course.
Now if Malik can't figure that out it means going back to a intro stats course.
You may not know it but for your kind information Hypericum is used in homeopathy and is available in different potencies. And I have used it in my clinical practice lots of times in so many years
Links & studies published in journals: results better than placebo
Arnica Therapy in patients receiving knee surgery: Results of three randomised double blind trials
Researchers investigated the effeciveness of Arnica on post-operative swelling and pain
Three different randomised pacebo-controlled, double blind, and sequential clinical trials were conducted after arthroscopy, artficial knee joint implantation and crutiate ligament reconstruction.
A total of 227 patients were enrolled in the arthroscopy (33% females and the mean age was 43.2 years)
35 patients in artificfial knee joint implatation (71% females and mean age was 67 years)
57 patients in crutiate ligament reconstruction (26% females and mean age was 33.4 years)
The study conducted each with 2 parallel therapy groups, of which one recieved placebo, and the other with anica 30X.
The arnica Montana was manufacured by DHU in Karlsruhe, Germany in accordance with the guidelines of the German Homoeopathic Phamacopoeia.
In all the three trials, patient receiving Arnica showed a trend towards less post-operative swelling compared to patients with placebo.
Journal: Complementary Therapy in Medicne, Vol. 14, pp. 237-246, 2006
Arnica Therapy in patients receiving knee surgery: Results of three randomised double blind trials
Researchers investigated the effeciveness of Arnica on post-operative swelling and pain
Three different randomised pacebo-controlled, double blind, and sequential clinical trials were conducted after arthroscopy, artficial knee joint implantation and crutiate ligament reconstruction.
A total of 227 patients were enrolled in the arthroscopy (33% females and the mean age was 43.2 years)
35 patients in artificfial knee joint implatation (71% females and mean age was 67 years)
57 patients in crutiate ligament reconstruction (26% females and mean age was 33.4 years)
The study conducted each with 2 parallel therapy groups, of which one recieved placebo, and the other with anica 30X.
The arnica Montana was manufacured by DHU in Karlsruhe, Germany in accordance with the guidelines of the German Homoeopathic Phamacopoeia.
In all the three trials, patient receiving Arnica showed a trend towards less post-operative swelling compared to patients with placebo.
Journal: Complementary Therapy in Medicne, Vol. 14, pp. 237-246, 2006
kmguru
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Again, how do you manage to practice medicine without knowing anything about Homeopathy?
For the last time, Homeopathy uses any matter available to human beings even your piss and dilutes them to Trillion Times such that there is no real active ingredient to harm anyone. Otherwise there will be malpractice suit galore.
As I said before, Hypericum in homeopathy at mother tincture level is nothing more than a chemical extract from Plant Hypericum. To be exact:
Hypericum is a genus of about 400 species of flowering plants in the family Clusiaceae, subfamily Hypericoideae (formerly often considered a full family Hypericaceae).
If you did not use the direct extract or concentrated to 10 or 100 times (not dilute them 10,000 times) then you are giving your patients placebo.
And you call that clinical practice? More like ripping off the poor, vulnerable and illiterate patients.
Time for the intro stats course. Enjoy it. You could use it.
Links & studies published in journals: results better than placebo
Homeopathy in Children with non-streptococcal tonsillitis
A placebo controlled double blind research study was conducted at 10 different paediatric ENT centers of different hspitals of Kiev, Ukraine, on 158 child patients to investigate the efficacy and tolerability of a homeopathic combination remedy for the treatment of acute tonsilitis
Age group of patients was 6-10 years and with symptoms started within 48 hours. Patients selescted were with at least 8 score out of 15, which were based on intensity of five typical symptoms of tonsilitis.
Results showed that in the group treated with homeopathic preparation, symptoms fell down from 10.2 points to 1.0 points. Where as in placebo group, it was from 10 points to 6.5 points.
81 % of patients are completely free from the complaints within 4 days.
The tolerability in homeopathic group is 97.5%
The preparation contains Atropinum Sulf D5, Hepar Sulf D3, Kali Bi D4, Merc Bijodatus D8, Silicea D2
Der Kassenarzt 6: 40-42, 2006
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Malik, let me give you a little intro to stats since you seem to miss the point completely.
If a study is done to a 95% confidence interval it means that if the statistical assumptions are correct and assuming that the study was properly done, then 95% of the time the results are correct. That still leaves 5% of the studies coming to the wrong conclusion due to chance. This is not because the study was not done properly, but because of chance.
So 5% of studies or 1 out of 20 on average are prone to this issue.
Close to 5% of homeopathy studies turn out in favor of homeopathy being better than placebo. Wow. Just what is statically predicted!
So go back to an intro stats course to understand that posting a few studies in favor of homeopathy does not override the prevailing understanding that it doesn't work.
If a study is done to a 95% confidence interval it means that if the statistical assumptions are correct and assuming that the study was properly done, then 95% of the time the results are correct. That still leaves 5% of the studies coming to the wrong conclusion due to chance. This is not because the study was not done properly, but because of chance.
So 5% of studies or 1 out of 20 on average are prone to this issue.
Close to 5% of homeopathy studies turn out in favor of homeopathy being better than placebo. Wow. Just what is statically predicted!
So go back to an intro stats course to understand that posting a few studies in favor of homeopathy does not override the prevailing understanding that it doesn't work.
You can cook up your own data. But the fact is it's far above 5%.
"Treatment of Acute Childhood Diarrhea with Homeopathic Medicine: A Randomized Clinical Trial in Nicaragua,"
Jennifer Jacobs, L. Jimenez, Margarita, Stephen Gloyd,American Journal of Pediatrics. May 1994; 93: 719-725.
This trial in cooperation with the University of Washington and the University of Guadalajara involved 81 children aged from 6 months to 5 years in a randomised, double-blind trial of intravenous fluids plus placebo versus intravenous fluids plus homoeopathic remedy individualised to the patient. The treatment group had a statistically significant decrease in duration of diarrhoea.
The results showed that, the individualized homeopathic medicine showed clinically and statistically significant improvement in the children’s diarrhea, compared to the children treated with placebo.
Children that received homeopathic medicine recovered from infection 20% faster than the children treated with placebo. The children who were more sick reacted to the homeopathic treatment in a spectacular manner. In total the study used 18 different homeopathic medicines selected on an individualized basis according to the symptoms of each child.
That would be wrong. It's barely 5%.
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