Why Does God Exist?
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The E,
This is like saying that the shape of the baking dish is miraculously precise because it exactly matches the shape of the pie. Do you see your error? You’ve got everything back to front.
Life and everything is a result of the universe not the other way around so naturally everything is a perfect fit. If the universe were different then all the results would be appropriately different.
And if we are talking odds then what are the odds that there is a super powerful being capable of creating entire universes. Now that goes way beyond astronomical.
Sorry to burst your bubble but that is a wonderful classic fallacy.
This is like saying that the shape of the baking dish is miraculously precise because it exactly matches the shape of the pie. Do you see your error? You’ve got everything back to front.
Life and everything is a result of the universe not the other way around so naturally everything is a perfect fit. If the universe were different then all the results would be appropriately different.
And if we are talking odds then what are the odds that there is a super powerful being capable of creating entire universes. Now that goes way beyond astronomical.
The E
No it doesn’t. That’s your arrogance thinking we are so important that a creator of a universe is giving us special attention. We are insignificant compared to the vastness of the universe. We have existed for only a tiny fraction of time and our self-destruction if far from a low risk.
And where would the fun in that be?Cris said:
Wasting my time with lost cases and intellectual cripples isn’t my thaang.
Why would I want to enlighten an imbecile, even if I could, and what would I gain from it?
Now back to the mouse with connections up high:
The Evelyonian
What makes you think it’s “fine tuned” and against what standard?
Would it be plausible to think that if the universe wasn’t able to produce life, spontaneously, that there would be no mind there to consider it “fine tuned”?
If the universe is “complex” what makes you think you’ve solved its creation with such a simplistic hypohtesis?
But you avoid responding to my original question:
UPON WHAT GROUNDS DO YOU ACCEPT A DOCUMENT, YOU CALL BIBLE, AS TRUTH?
Maybe you can see it now.
I know your selective sight has trouble discerning the troubling.
So, what makes the Bible attractive to you is that it offers a direct line to the Big guy.
It makes you feel important and central in His plans.
It makes you feel secure and protected and meaningful.
It’s a good thing you have no ulterior motives and no conflicts of interests trouble your precious little mind.
The world around us points to the world around us.
It’s your tiny mind which seeks something greater behind it.
This other, besides us, is necessarily “greater”?
No God created me.
This is your hope, not mine.
But you make a lot of assertions without providing evidence.
Cute.
Is your name you?
I know my dog, yet I haven’t named it.
And He already knows if I’ll heed Him and if His attention getting will work …or is He unsure?
So, I’m not living in fear of Him, even though He threatens me with eternal damnation…..hmmmm, interesting.
Did you even get the metaphor?
You mean it’s us against them, right?
We’re the good guys, we wear white and help little old ladies across the street.
They wear black and are cruel and bad and wicked.
I get it.
Their the forces of Mordor and we are the armies of Men and Elves and Dwarves.
Ahh, more sophisticated technology.
I should have known.
It’s spontaneous, it sort of wells up from within you. The truth is so powerful it is like a natural force, an undeniable spiritual wind.
I see.
Ergo his original sin.
I get it now, I’ve seen the light.
God gives man free-will.
Man uses it to create a rift between himself and the Creator. Man punishes man for it until Christ saves man from his past and offers him the choice of living outside God and in Hell or choose God and heaven.
And all this a Book has told us.
This is amazing.
I should have known.
Of course…and you are his….guest.
God is there, His son and Mary, serving drinks.
The rest of us are invited guests if we promise to leave our muddy shoes at the door.
Otherwise we are ushered towards the naughty neighbor Satan.
What a beautiful story.
So, believing in something you cannot see, hear or describe is something that comes naturally to you?
Oh, I think I knew you from the moment I first read those starting posts.
You come in groups, you see. Carbon copies of one another, repeating the same words, with that same dull and vacant stare and that patronizing smile that says ‘You’re going to hell and I’m not’ plastered over their faces.
Why would I care about your name when your mind is so simple?
Does a shepherd name all his sheep or only the ones that stand out?
Sorry, you turned out to be less interesting than I had hoped you would be.
Nothing but a simpleton with an agenda and a lifetime of ‘education’ to account for.
Less spirit than I was expecting. No enough entertainment return for my efforts and attentions.
Next, you’ll start quoting scripture as argument.
Got better things to do.
I’m outa here.
I got one last thing to say:
Thank God for people like you.
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C'mon Cris everything must have been designed. Have you never seen how perfectly a puddle fits in a hole in the ground? It's indisputable that each hole was created specifically for each puddle, only a fool would think otherwise.. *end sarcasm*
Damn man, religious people really get on my tits.. I dunno why we bother
the evolonian said:
So, a complex universe needs a creator for explanation? How about a necessarily complex God?
The anthropic principle explains your idea. If the universe were something other than suitable for life, no one would exist to discuss it. Furthermore, any life arising in a suitable universe would find itself in a very unlikely sitation.
Another point is that no one is suggesting that anything arose by "chance". That is a common misunderstanding. Evolution is not chance, it is the opposite of chance.
spidergoat
thats why there are scriptures
thats why there are scriptures
True. If you didn't believe in God, you would have to blame yourself for your own deficiencies.
I am trying really hard not to make a hilarious racist joke right now.
However, I shall instead point out that you haven't been lynched. Or if you have, wow, we're speaking to a ghost!
However, I shall instead point out that you haven't been lynched. Or if you have, wow, we're speaking to a ghost!
No, those are just convenient scapegoats for your misery -- which is actually entirely your responsibility, of course.falcon22 said:
What kind of a response is that? We're supposed to let this go? Some of the strongest arguments against the god hypothesis are
"then who created god?"
and
"If complexity requires a creator, what created the creator?"
You theists are just adding layer upon layer to cloud what is already a weak stance.
Why can't you answer spidegoat's question like you know what you're talking about instead of just passing it off?
Explain to me why being born a black woman would be my responsibility (I"m Asian by the way).
Explain to me how getting cancer is my fault. What the hell did I do to get that?
Explain to me how a hurricane storm is my responsibility.
Obviously, blacks aren't being lynched anymore.
If you look at the stats though, more than 38% of those who are incarcerated in prison in U.S. are black youths. Look deeper and you'll find that the number of inmates has increased over 300%. In New York alone, in a course of 50 years, 60 new prisons have been built to accomodate the increase. New York currently has about 90 prisons total.
Your misery is your own responsibility, not the random shit that happens to you. If your life is really that horrible, you can always end it.
That's a question too easy to answer, that's why.