I'm asking you which one you prefer?
Why do people believe?
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I'm asking you which one you prefer?
Enmos
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Ugh.. you sure ? :bugeye:
Mental capacity to do what exactly ?
Why did God create them without the capacity to believe in Him ? And how does this relate to the animal called human ?
Enmos
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Why did you introduce me to it ?
How do you know what animals believe?
Sorry, by that I was implying there was no case for satisfaction to be a factor. Animals have much greater suffering than humans and so they couldn't be satisfied with those conditions. We have cars, TVs, we're overweight etc., and we're still not happy with that, so animals are even less so.
Enmos
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Because the true nature of things (objective reality) cannot be perceived.
Take light for example. Light only appears as it does to us because certain sensors of the human body react to certain impulses. Objective reality is 'dark'.
Extrapolate for all the other senses.
mental capacity is not fundamental
humans also have requirements for sleeping, eating, mating and defending, but cannot find complete satisfaction in them like an animal
many reasons - but since we are on the topic, you may be satisfied not believing in god but you have no scope for perfect satisfaction in this world ..... unless you are mad.
Enmos
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Enmos
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I agree. Animals have mental capacity, like humans do. So mental capacity is no reason to believe in God. What is this fundamental difference that makes God want us to believe in him ?
You don't really know a lot about animals, do you ?
Animals can be happy or sad, need distraction etc.
And you have ? Are you mad ?
the mental capacity doesn't extend beyond the four animal propensities
basically life in what ever form or environment it expresses itself in is about two issues
1 - what you desire
2 - what you deserve
The human form of life is special since it offers the exclusive opportunity to know god - if a human doesn't want that opportunity, animal life is available. In this way one can cycle through all the species of life and gradually raise to the human form again for another attempt. In this way we are gradually working through our desires.
Enmos
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Bullshit.
Including human life.
Says you. It only offers the ability to believe in whatever.
Humans have freed themselves from nature to some extent and therefor don't need to concentrate solely on survival or directly related things.
In short, humans have (had) too much time on their hands. As everyone knows, that usually results in bullshit.
This doesn't make sense to me.
the nature of objective things cannot be perceived with the mind or associated senses (remember, these are not the fundamental aspects of the self).
The topic is kind of involved but an easy analogy to offer an indication is like wearing a shirt. The shirt bends at the elbow because your body bends at the elbow. The shirt is just a covering. Similarly the mind (and the senses) have the ability to pick up information because the self has the ability to pick up information. So that sort of perception that transcends the mind and senses is in a different category since it is not filtered.
numerous references on the subject
BG 6.7 For one who has conquered the mind, the Supersoul is already reached, for he has attained tranquillity. To such a man happiness and distress, heat and cold, honor and dishonor are all the same.
Enmos
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LG, any perception of whatever through whatever is an interpretation. Period.
Can you keep your supersoul and related matters to yourself.. please ?
I have no opinion on what animals do or do not believe.
I'm asking you why you have one.
Enmos
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Because animals are not stupid. Sorry to put it like that but you asked.
Now, why do you think animals might (be able to) believe in God ?
Emnos
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How about justice?
suppose a human takes birth as a slug
once in that from of life they proceed (through the process of taking birth and dying) to other forms that are more elevating (like say a reptile). Then they could cycle through all the varieties of beast species until they eventually end up as one of the species of human.
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what is an animal interested in that doesn't involve sleeping, eating, mating or defending?
How about justice?
certainly
hence it tends to indicate that the use of this spare time has a better utility than simply eating, sleeping, mating and defending (which is how humans tend to waste the human form and transform the world at large into the proverbial)
ok
suppose a human takes birth as a slug
once in that from of life they proceed (through the process of taking birth and dying) to other forms that are more elevating (like say a reptile). Then they could cycle through all the varieties of beast species until they eventually end up as one of the species of human.
Good question.
I can think of this reason:
Because there have been people in one's life who had great influence over one, and who repeatedly told one that one's beliefs are not the right ones.
It seems that by nature, people are unconditionally honest and unconditionally goodwilled, but they are not wise - which is why all sorts of information can enter into their minds, leading people to hold mutually exclusive stances.