Why do people believe?

[Enmos]

the nature of having a self is equal across the board, although the expression of that self is filtered through the mind and body - hence we draw up distinctions not only of species but also gender, age, nationality etc

I agree, but are animals fundamentally different than humans ? I can only guess from your answer, my guess would be that you say they aren't.

 

[lightgigantic]

Sam has yet to discover objective reality. She only believes.

seems that you are yet to understand the term "objective reality"

 

[lightgigantic]

I agree, but are animals fundamentally different than humans ? I can only guess from your answer, my guess would be that you say they aren't.

depends whether issues of the mind and body are viewed as fundamental.
I however don't view them as such (at least in my saner moments)

 

[Enmos]

seems that you are yet to understand the term "objective reality"

Explain to me how you can see things as they are.

 

[(Q)]

seems that you are yet to understand the term "objective reality"

The one with or without gods?

 

[Enmos]

depends whether issues of the mind and body are viewed as fundamental.
I however don't view them as such (at least in my saner moments)

Thanks
So the answer is no.

Next question: How come animals don't need to believe in God ?

 

[lightgigantic]

Explain to me how you can see things as they are.

that involves overcoming the conditioning that we are packaged with in terms of the body and the mind - IOW it's a spiritual discipline

 

[S.A.M.]

Thanks
So the answer is no.

Next question: How come animals don't need to believe in God ?

Let me introduce you to a word in the Quran which defines religious opinion

zanna — self-indulgent guesswork about matters that nobody can be certain of one way or the other but which makes people quarrelsome and stupidly sectarian

from the verse:

Most of them only follow conjecture. While conjecture does not avail against the truth in anything. [10:36]

 

[lightgigantic]

The one with or without gods?

which ever one you are suggesting you have access to

 

[lightgigantic]

Thanks
So the answer is no.

Next question: How come animals don't need to believe in God ?

because they are perfectly satisfied in their activities of sleeping, eating, mating and defending

 

[Enmos]

that involves overcoming the conditioning that we are packaged with in terms of the body and the mind - IOW it's a spiritual discipline

So you say it can be done ?

 

[lightgigantic]

So you say it can be done ?

sure

 

[EmmZ]

because they are perfectly satisfied in their activities of sleeping, eating, mating and defending

I would suggest it was more to do with mental capacity.

 

[Enmos]

Let me introduce you to a word in the Quran which defines religious opinion

zanna — self-indulgent guesswork about matters that nobody can be certain of one way or the other but which makes people quarrelsome and stupidly sectarian

from the verse:

Most of them only follow conjecture. While conjecture does not avail against the truth in anything. [10:36]

Well, that surely includes God himself.

Is that last bit from the verses about animals ?

 

[Enmos]

sure

Then you don't understand the concept of objective reality.

 

[lightgigantic]

I would suggest it was more to do with mental capacity.

sure - an animal's mental capacity doesn't extend beyond the demands for sleeping, eating, mating and defending

 

[S.A.M.]

Well, that surely includes God himself.

Is that last bit from the verses about animals ?

No, as I said, it is about religious opinions.

 

[Enmos]

because they are perfectly satisfied in their activities of sleeping, eating, mating and defending

But there is no fundamental difference between humans and animals, you said so yourself. It's no a real shocker though, since humans are animals.
I am perfectly satisfied not believing in God. Why should I believe in God ?

 

[lightgigantic]

Then you don't understand the concept of objective reality.

why

 

[(Q)]

Let me introduce you to a word in the Dictionary which defines religious opinion

Delusion: a mistaken or unfounded opinion.