Why can't religon and science be friends?

Maybe you should look up the difference between faith (religion-style) and belief that what you're doing scientifically (or indeed in real life) has some validity.

Faith as I understand it is setting aside judgement until you see something through. In the case of religion it would be believing that God exists (even though you don't know) in order to sincerely explore the possibility.
 
Faith as I understand it is setting aside judgement until you see something through. In the case of religion it would be believing that God exists (even though you don't know) in order to sincerely explore the possibility.
Setting judgement aside?
Believing that he does exist in order to see if he does?
Um, okay...
 
Setting judgement aside?
Believing that he does exist in order to see if he does?
Um, okay...

No one tries to solve a problem or explores the unknown without first believing it's possible - and further, how much harder and more sincerely do we work when these beliefs are strong rather than weak?
 
"God directed" evolution is a mild form of intelligent design, rather than a belief in the Theory of Evolution.

Except 'God directed' evolution has the same evidence as Theory of Evolution, as essentially they are the same with respect to everything else- although 'God directed' is an extra assumption (although a replacement for 'random' which is also an assumption).

By its very nature a scientific theory is naturalistic and has no supernatural agencies to it.

Religion is not the nullification of the natural.. They can perfectly compliment each other.

Peace be unto you ;)
 
Setting judgement aside?
Believing that he does exist in order to see if he does?
Um, okay...
See my other thread...How not to experience.

But we do do this in many types of learning. We act AS IF. Sometimes the AS IF sticks, sometimes it does not. But assumptions, especially of our own competence and the possibility of something working, help learning.
 
Religion is not the nullification of the natural.. They can perfectly compliment each other.
Yes. I don't think the word 'supernatural' helps these discussions. It is better to think of God or whatever phenomenon as natural.
 
also, you desagree, with an entrie assosiation, and an entire reasearches and studies, by many specialists, becuase, you just don't beleive that arabs, had a very very big and important impact on the science of toaday
witjout arabs, you would never have a camera, no eye glasses, no surgeries, no advanced mathematiques, no chemistry, aljebra, is an arabic word in origin, also, chemistry, alkimiyae, is an arabic word, and arabs invented chemistry, ... even mechaniques
...

give me proves, that those arabs, had no impact, an important impact, or any other important inventions on our world of toaday

Shadow, those things were invented by the arabs, without them, somebody else would have figured it out.

And I wouldnt say chemistry because people have been mixing things together for millenia, to say the Arabs did it first is pretty silly.

the Chinese probably would have been the earliest example of a significant finding because of chemistry in the form of gunpowder.

I dont think the arabs were the first to invent mechanics, the Greeks were, and they actually made an analog clock too.

A camera? I don't get it, what did the arabs do for the camera?

Surgery? Weve found skulls from cavemen which had holes in them from brain surgery, I think we can call those the first surgeons.

Even the Romans had varying success with surgery.

advanced mathmatics? For that period, it was advanced I will give you that, but right now, it would be like algebra 1.

Those things while significant, were invented by other societies, some even before the arabs.

It's just that when the Europeans came along in their blood bath of the crusades and were amazed with it they finally got the movement going. But that was more luck than anything.
 
No one tries to solve a problem or explores the unknown without first believing it's possible - and further, how much harder and more sincerely do we work when these beliefs are strong rather than weak?
Once again there's a difference (and it's a more than subtle difference) between "believing" something is worth doing, or is possible, and believing god exists.
 
What's the difference?
With science (and daily life) it's based on known factors , e.g. we have solved something similar before, someone else has done something similar, etc.: I'll see what I can do along these lines and see what I learn.
With religion it's a confidence that god actually does exist (to the point of asserting that existence to others) and shaping your life around that belief. With no actual evidence.
 
With science (and daily life) it's based on known factors , e.g. we have solved something similar before, someone else has done something similar, etc.: I'll see what I can do along these lines and see what I learn.
With religion it's a confidence that god actually does exist (to the point of asserting that existence to others) and shaping your life around that belief. With no actual evidence.

I'm talking about things unknown or almost completely unknown to us that could cause a paradigm shift (like einstein's theory of relativity.) What you're talking about is the fleshing out of something that has already been discovered.
 
There is no proof that god exists, there is the believe that god exists, and some scientists believe there is a god.

Take Hawking for an example, He believes there is a god but he dosen't let it interupt his work.
 
There is no proof that god exists, there is the believe that god exists, and some scientists believe there is a god.

Just like it is a belief that everything is naturalistic.

Peace be unto you ;)
 
Nope, it's you that's missing the point.
If god exists then science isn't real. There is nothing whatsoever that can be relied upon.


Because, one more time, if the answer turns out to be goddidit then that halts all inquiry since god is held to be above anything humans can understand.
Why is the sky blue? Because god wants it to be - today.
Why do electrons have a negative charge? Because god thought it was a nice touch.
If god is omnipotent then anything at all is possible and science can't say that what is true today will be true tomorrow.


Exactly: you were were exhorting people to do something you haven't done yourself.
I can tell you must athesist. correct? and btw I see you don't read posts because if you go back to my first post I said I do do the thing I was telling people to do.
 
I'm talking about things unknown or almost completely unknown to us that could cause a paradigm shift (like einstein's theory of relativity.) What you're talking about is the fleshing out of something that has already been discovered.
In which case science doesn't believe, nor do scientists. If it's unknown then by definition there's no evidence.


Take Hawking for an example, He believes there is a god
Link? I was under the impression Hawking is an agnostic if not an atheist.


I can tell you must athesist. correct? and btw I see you don't read posts because if you go back to my first post I said I do do the thing I was telling people to do.
Wrong: you claim you do but the evidence contradicts that claim. Which was the point I was making (and you failed to grasp, once again making my point for me).
 
In which case science doesn't believe, nor do scientists. If it's unknown then by definition there's no evidence.

Scientists work under the assumption that everything is naturalistic- there is no evidence that everything is naturalistic.

Peace be unto you ;)
 
Link? I was under the impression Hawking is an agnostic if not an atheist.


I think he is agnostic myself, but he claims to believe in god, but he is in no way part of any religion.

I read it in an interview once. Im trying to find it. I couldn't find it, but basicly it said he believes in god, but not the same on all chritans/jews worship. A more simple one. I guess
 
I think he is agnostic myself, but he claims to believe in god, but he is in no way part of any religion.
I read it in an interview once. Im trying to find it. I couldn't find it, but basicly it said he believes in god, but not the same on all chritans/jews worship. A more simple one. I guess
You mean this:
Hawking has stated that he is "not religious in the normal sense" and he believes that "the universe is governed by the laws of science. The laws may have been decreed by God, but God does not intervene to break the laws.
But there's also this:
Hawking takes an agnostic position on matters of religion,[52][53] He has repeatedly used the word 'God' (in metaphorical meanings)[54] to illustrate points made in his books and public speeches. His ex-wife Jane however said he was an atheist during their divorce proceedings
Both quotes from Wiki.

Einstein's god, in other words...
 
Scientists work under the assumption that everything is naturalistic- there is no evidence that everything is naturalistic.
Really?
No evidence?
Apart from the fact that it works (as claimed). :rolleyes:
Naturalistic as opposed to... what?
 
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