Who was Jesus A. Christ?

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Here is the evidence I have found. Please provide yours.

1) His middle name was Anti. (his words)
2) His first name was Yeshua, not Jesus.
3) His last name was not Christ. Christ just means annointed. I am annointed so, that is basically meaningless.
4) Both Enoch and Yesus called the Elect One "The Son of man". Jesus was the son of no man. He was the bastard son of a woman and some God.
5) Enoch said the Elect one would be full of years. Jesus lived 36 years. In Enochs day, man lived a thousand years.
6) Enoch said the Elect one would sit on the throne of glory. Jesus said the anti-christ would sit in the seat of God.
7) Enoch said the elect one would be present and hidden until his countenance was lifted and would be revealed to the elect. Jesus was announced to the world with a star in heaven and everyone knew who he was supposed to be all of his short life.
8) Jesus said the anti-christ was son of perdition (he who perishes). Jesus perished and never returned.
9) Enoch said that the Elect and Elect one would be protected while all others on earth were swiftly destroyed in the day of tribulation. Jesus and all his disciples were killed.
10) Enoch was called the scribe of God. His book was written by the archangels and himself from his journeys with the archangels which he named. Gabriel, Raphael, Michael, Uriel, Phanuel. From what I can tell, Jesus never mentioned the names of any of the angels. (maybe he was afraid of getting their attention).
11) Jesus said: "upon this rock I will found my church". He was speaking of Peter, whom he once called satan. "Get thee behind me Satan". So, Jesus founded his church upon Satan. Yikes.
12) So, apparently, Yesus goal was to get the whole world to worship him instead of the Father, and was to turn the world against the comeing elect one. This is relatively pointless because it looks to me as if the all but the elect are to be destroyed before the elect one takes his throne anyways. yesus knew he was defeated from the beginning but just wanted to anger God further, I suppose. When the world wakes up and figures out who the elect one is and asks his forgiveness, it will be too late for them. The ungodly, unrighteous, deceiving, murdering, abortioning, bickering, agressive, pridefull, non-gentle, discourteous, people can not possibly enter a place like heaven or the elect kingdom where non of those qualities will ever exist. Every man has heaven inside from birth. It is what he has built around it to be himself that is what he is. We chose who we became, and thus our fate.

Merry christmas!
Put the n in santa at the end and what do you get?
 
You mean a six foot tall, white arab? Have you seen photos of people from Jerusalem? People were alot shorter back then in any case.

He was killed because he was a trouble maker. He was walking round being followed by tons of people, tossing money lenders out of temples, calling himself the son of god and king of the jews, all that crap. The best way to shut up a trouble maker is to kill him.
 
Witless: theres no prove a man like that ever lived, so what are you talking about, you might as well be discussing harry potter, or bilbo baggins.
 
More like Witless. Provide a source for your informtaion. I'm guessing you got most of your info from the Christian bible. Could you provide the Book, Chapter, and Verse(s) please? I'd like to see such things in context. For example, "Get thee behind me, Satan..." doesn't actually mean that Peter was the overlord of Hell. It was the biblical equivalent of "Shut the Hell up!" or some other such phrase to let someone know they were out of line.
 
Jesus was nothing but a troublemaker and a traitor, and he died the death of a traitor to Rome.
ROMA VICTOR!
 
Oxygen said:
For example, "Get thee behind me, Satan..." doesn't actually mean that Peter was the overlord of Hell. It was the biblical equivalent of "Shut the Hell up!" or some other such phrase to let someone know they were out of line.
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Kinda...

Here's the context in which JC rebukes "Rocky":
Matthew:16:18-28 (King James Bible)

18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.
21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.
26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Sounds like Peter was questioning the "mission statement" of the Lord, and they had a quick team meeting to get everybody on the same page again.
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[/QUOTE=Killjoy]Here's the context in which JC rebukes "Rocky":
Matthew:16:18-28 (King James Bible)

18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.
21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.
26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Sounds like Peter was questioning the "mission statement" of the Lord, and they had a quick team meeting to get everybody on the same page again.;)[/QUOTE]
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M*W: Not exactly.

Peter represents the ancient Egyptian god Ptah who reigned over the Earthly (physical) realm just as the planets Saturn and Capricorn do. The "keys" symbolically given to Peter represent Capricorn opening the new year. (However, I vividly recollect the 'actual' "Keys of Peter" on display in St. Peter's in Rome). So all this means is that the Constellation Capricorn is the beginning of the new year following the winter solstice.

When the sun "dies" during the winter solstice, it can be seen as an inverted cross (on which Peter is said to have died). The All the disciples have their Egyptian analogues. Peter was said to also have denied Christ. From the physical view of Earth (as represented by Peter), The planet Saturn lines up with the Earth to obstruct our viewpoint of the sun (symbolized by Christ). Therefore, Peter becomes Christ's advesary. The cock "crowing" represents Peter's denial of the coming new year (Capricorn).

The solar year has 365 days. The "cock" symbolizes the new solar year of 365 days. Peter's "denial" three times is a reference to the three days that the sun is 'entombed' during the solstice. The bible has been translated using symbolism to occlude its cosmotheology. When the sun (son) loses his 'light,' it is said that Peter "denied" him/it.

Interestingly, Peter (Ptah) has been called the "rock" and the "cock." This is a reference to Capricorn (Earth sign of the physical realm). The "rock" is of course Earth, and the "cock" represents the solar year (365 days).

To Ellion: I haven't forgotten your question about Jesus riding the donkey and Judas' denial of Jesus. I don't have the answer off hand, but I'm researching it and will get back to you.

~ Medicine*Woman
 
Medicine Woman said:
M*W: Not exactly.

Peter represents the ancient Egyptian god Ptah who reigned over the Earthly (physical) realm just as the planets Saturn and Capricorn do. The "keys" symbolically given to Peter represent Capricorn opening the new year. (However, I vividly recollect the 'actual' "Keys of Peter" on display in St. Peter's in Rome). So all this means is that the Constellation Capricorn is the beginning of the new year following the winter solstice.

When the sun "dies" during the winter solstice, it can be seen as an inverted cross (on which Peter is said to have died). The All the disciples have their Egyptian analogues. Peter was said to also have denied Christ. From the physical view of Earth (as represented by Peter), The planet Saturn lines up with the Earth to obstruct our viewpoint of the sun (symbolized by Christ). Therefore, Peter becomes Christ's advesary. The cock "crowing" represents Peter's denial of the coming new year (Capricorn).

The solar year has 365 days. The "cock" symbolizes the new solar year of 365 days. Peter's "denial" three times is a reference to the three days that the sun is 'entombed' during the solstice. The bible has been translated using symbolism to occlude its cosmotheology. When the sun (son) loses his 'light,' it is said that Peter "denied" him/it.

Interestingly, Peter (Ptah) has been called the "rock" and the "cock." This is a reference to Capricorn (Earth sign of the physical realm). The "rock" is of course Earth, and the "cock" represents the solar year (365 days).
~ Medicine*Woman
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Interesting.

It sounds like you're implying a deliberate intent to obscure the older concepts, though.
Is that what you mean ?
Or is it that the "labels" just got changed to more familiar ones depending on where the older myths spread ?

I mean, I've heard of the correlation between JC's 3-day "nap" & the period at the end of the solar year where there are a number of days of equal length before they begin to lengthen.
I guess some of the rest of the analogies just seem like a bit more of a leap because I've never heard any other reference to them.

(hint, hint, he said, hinting that a link or 3 to more info would be appreciated !)

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Sounds more like MW is using astrological metaphor to illustrate the bible instead of vice versa. The criss-crossing of imagery from Pagan to Christian or Christian to Pagan is similar to "I said it first!" "Nah-ah, I said it first!" "Did not!" "Did too!" "Liar!" "Liar!" When it comes to the disciples, I believe they existed as men, not as astrological symbols. I'm not Christian, but I do believe there are some historical truths sprinkled throughout the bible.
 
I agree, lots of confusion in the bible and the stars. So, I go to the book of Enoch, who was seventh from Adam and grandfather of Noah. You can find the book by typing "Enoch" into your search engine.

Here are a few points of controversy.

First, apostle Paul was said to have a thorn in his flesh. No one ever cared to figure out what his thorn was. It was the fact that Paul was eternally accountable for the Killing of the disciple Stephen. He stood by and approved of his stoning. Now, God has sworn vengeance on those whose hands have the blood of the saints upon them.
But, with Paul, he rewarded him by blinding him with his light (appeared to him as an angel of light, which Jesus said the devil will do) and caused him to preach to multitudes in various countries and to write most of the new testament. This does not sound like eternal punishment.

Then there are demons. I watched the Emily Rose movie and found something interesting. One of her demons named itself "Legion". This is a demon who was a multitude of demons bound together in a person whom Christ encountered. Jesus did not cast this demon into the abyss, but, instead removed its bounds allowing it to become a multitude again, and set them free upon the earth by allowing them to enter a heard of pigs and to run into the sea and drown. Someone apparently after Jesus day, bound these demons back together and they entered Emily Rose. Of course Satan is a liar and it was probably not Legion in her. One of the demons named itself Lucifer also. This could not be true because I'm thinking that Lucy fire is smarter than what was in Emily.

It is interesting that Demon posessed people do nothing but scratch at walls and are in horrible torment at all times. Maybe this is because they know there future in the furnace.

Don't call me a preacher, I'm just looking for absolute truth until I find it so I can properly judge my world.
 
witnessjudgejury said:
Don't call me a preacher, I'm just looking for absolute truth until I find it so I can properly judge my world.
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well, you should not judge. and you can't find absolute truth unless you find yourself... unless you read what blavatsky, yesudian and haich said.
 
Oxygen said:
Sounds more like MW is using astrological metaphor to illustrate the bible instead of vice versa. The criss-crossing of imagery from Pagan to Christian or Christian to Pagan is similar to "I said it first!" "Nah-ah, I said it first!" "Did not!" "Did too!" "Liar!" "Liar!" When it comes to the disciples, I believe they existed as men, not as astrological symbols. I'm not Christian, but I do believe there are some historical truths sprinkled throughout the bible.
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M*W: No metaphor intended. There should have been no "criss-crossing" in the first place. You can thank the religionists for that. I also believe there are some historical truths "sprinkled" throughout the bible. The buzz word here is "sprinkled." The entire bible reflects the astrological findings of their day. It was written allegorically, because the writers (whomever they were) were writing of astrological events, not human events. The bible writers were astrologers, which is just another word for god seekers. The 'gods' were in the heavens just like angels were the stars. This was a long time before paganism, I think. It is the alpha and the omega.
 
I don't agree that the writers of the bible were astrologers per se. Astrology was a lot more important in people's lives back then for lack of better understanding of natural sciences, but it sounds like you're saying that the whole bible was a collection of disguised astrology lessons. One part I don't get is relating Capricorn to a cock, as Capricorn is the Sea-Goat. I'm no astologer, but I've never seen Capricorn as a chicken or fowl of any kind. :confused:

I believe these people lived, walked, and preached, but I don't believe that Jesus was the Son of God as the Christians would have us believe, and I don't believe in the biblical miracles. (I have a link somewhere that covers a more mundane viewpoint of Jesus. I'll post it when I find it.) These guys were pushing social reform.

Also, paganism is not a formally established religion. It's the Christian word for anything not Christian. Therefore "The 'gods' were in the heavens just like angels were the stars," could not be "...a long time before paganism...", as it is the basis of pretty much all human religion. There have always been gods in the skies because the sky was an unattainable territory for the human race. Until gravity and things like the Bernoulli Effect were better understood, if man tried to fly he usually crashed to the ground and died, therefore the it must have been the gods. (Gods of nature explained other, more terrestrial mysteries for early humans.)
 
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