cato said:
sometimes? can you name a prayer that could be answers without someone’s free will being infringed upon?
if you pray "please let me be more patient," then even if you wanted to be less patient after that, you could not. say, if I pray to be more patient, then there is a line to get free money, I would not want to be patient and let people go in front of me, but I would have no choice because god made me more patient.
You are right, but prayer is about opening the door. When you pray you are giving God permission to intervene. If you are not willing to give him permission to work, then your prayers are worthless and will go unanswered because God knows your heart that you are not willing to give up your will.
If you don't want to be more patient, then don't ask.
cato said:
moreover, you seem to be ignoring the quote of the bible in which people pray for other people to come, thus directly and undisputedly taking away free will. so what is it? is got not good, less than all-powerful, or is the bible wrong? (if the bible is wrong, then the whole religion is flawed).
I am not sure what you are referring to, but I think you mean praying for other people to come to church?
If that is your question, God can knock on the other person's door, but if they don't answer, they won't come. God can't make anyone come to church. It's just like with my cousin who is not a believer. I can tell him Jesus this Jesus that, but if he doesn't want Jesus, I am wasting my time.
Does that answer your question??
cato said:
I am getting sick a tired of people only taking half the argument. for example:
I explained before how the weak anthropic principal works. if the universe is either infinity in a bang/crunch cycle, or there are an infinite number of universes (to name two scenarios) the odd of there being life is 100%. the weak anthropic principal says that since we are here, the only conclusion we can make is that we live in a universe that can support life. AND LIKE I SAID BEFORE, the odds are only against there being only 1 big bang with properties that can make life.
Calm down. There is no reason to be fed up because of miscommunication. I know its frustrating, but this is the vehicle we have chosen.
I don't understand, you are saying if there are two scenarios that odds of there of being life is 100%? That is not logical.
There are two pieces of cheese, one is blue cheese, the other is cheddar, therefore the odds of there being a mouse is 100%. This is not logical.
I have conceded that the big bang theory is a theory, just like the bang/crunch cycle. With that said, if objects in motion tend to stay in motion and objects are moving apart, then it is likely that they once were together.
Are you talking about multiple universes?
Are you talking about life on other galaxies? Please clarify. I don't quite understand what you are trying to say here.
cato said:
further more, why can't you admit when you are wrong (jayleew) its ok. I admitted that my reasoning to get someone to commit suicide was bested. and it has been proven that god does not know what future will happen, god (if god exists) can only know what possible futures there are. god cannot know, for sure, what we will choose if we have free will.
If I am wrong, say what I'm wrong about and prove that I am wrong. If you can't, I MAY not be wrong.