psycho-sth-african
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Hi
Didnt you guys read my reply on how infinte regression is absurd and leads to an infinite creator anyway, no matter which way you take.
Ok I'll try and put the other part inot words now as well
Cause and effect is a principle that follows from the law of non-contradction. Now cause and effct is just eevery effect has a cause. The law of non-contradiction (also called many other names in philosophy) basically states that something cannot be A and not-A in the same relationship. Now in out universe things change from being something to being something differnt, all of these changes occur with time, knowledge and position. The Bible and most other main stream religions teach of a all knowing, omnipresent, God that is outside time. So if the universe can be assumed to exist and astrophysics assumes so many exotic particles (see my response on Is Religion stupid for more info on that). Now we make this assumption (now I'm not proving God exists but that if God exist he doesnt need a creator). As a Christian I must assume that God is outside time, knows everything and is all-present. So if all of these are assumed then God cannot change his relationship in any way or form form and becuase He is outside of time, he has to both exist and not exist at the same time, therefore breaking the law of non-contradiction. THerefore if God does exist then he deosnt follow by our normal laws, and not the priniciple of cuase and effct. Therefore according to our definitions He has no cause, and therefore he cannot be created, that is if He exists He cannot be created
Didnt you guys read my reply on how infinte regression is absurd and leads to an infinite creator anyway, no matter which way you take.
Ok I'll try and put the other part inot words now as well
Cause and effect is a principle that follows from the law of non-contradction. Now cause and effct is just eevery effect has a cause. The law of non-contradiction (also called many other names in philosophy) basically states that something cannot be A and not-A in the same relationship. Now in out universe things change from being something to being something differnt, all of these changes occur with time, knowledge and position. The Bible and most other main stream religions teach of a all knowing, omnipresent, God that is outside time. So if the universe can be assumed to exist and astrophysics assumes so many exotic particles (see my response on Is Religion stupid for more info on that). Now we make this assumption (now I'm not proving God exists but that if God exist he doesnt need a creator). As a Christian I must assume that God is outside time, knows everything and is all-present. So if all of these are assumed then God cannot change his relationship in any way or form form and becuase He is outside of time, he has to both exist and not exist at the same time, therefore breaking the law of non-contradiction. THerefore if God does exist then he deosnt follow by our normal laws, and not the priniciple of cuase and effct. Therefore according to our definitions He has no cause, and therefore he cannot be created, that is if He exists He cannot be created