What's heaven like?
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therefore the notion of sense gratification (ie the selfish basis of material existence) as the notion of heavenly perfection is absurd
Therefeore the most people can imagine is some sort of impersonal liberation (merging into light etc) as the only relief from their material propensities because they are not familiar with the activties of liberation
Mrs.Lucysnow
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Lightgigantic: therefore the notion of sense gratification (ie the selfish basis of material existence) as the notion of heavenly perfection is absurd
Well yes but what else do we have to go with? I don't think it fair to call material existence 'selfish'. Why is it selfish to use the senses we have? Why is it selfish to work from a material world when we actually live in a material world? Its not something we can readily ignore.
LG: Therefeore the most people can imagine is some sort of impersonal liberation (merging into light etc) as the only relief from their material propensities because they are not familiar with the activties of liberation
The 'activities of liberation'. This is when it becomes pedantic. You have adopted an assumption have you not? How do you know the 'activites of liberation'? Religious doctrine yes? Death is not something one can read about or imagine, its an experience we don't live to talk about, this being the case why even bother attempting a description of 'heaven'. We rely on our imagination or the imagination of another.
Well yes but what else do we have to go with? I don't think it fair to call material existence 'selfish'. Why is it selfish to use the senses we have? Why is it selfish to work from a material world when we actually live in a material world? Its not something we can readily ignore.
LG: Therefeore the most people can imagine is some sort of impersonal liberation (merging into light etc) as the only relief from their material propensities because they are not familiar with the activties of liberation
The 'activities of liberation'. This is when it becomes pedantic. You have adopted an assumption have you not? How do you know the 'activites of liberation'? Religious doctrine yes? Death is not something one can read about or imagine, its an experience we don't live to talk about, this being the case why even bother attempting a description of 'heaven'. We rely on our imagination or the imagination of another.
Well Lucy, LG like anyohter theist makes up shit as they go! They don't have evidence to back up their rhetorical bullshit, they go by the assertions of others, who they deem as authorative in the matter. Just look at the absurdiities he spouts here, as if his word was the final end all of how things are when one dies, like if he knew anything, from experience. He has invented an existent of our soul in a nether existence before becoming human, and calles this reality a selfish materialistic existence. What more do we need to prove that he is full of shit?
Godless
Godless
there is no heaven. there is no hell. there is only life or anything we make of it.
Mrs.Lucysnow
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Godless: ...He has invented an existent of our soul in a nether existence before becoming human, and calles this reality a selfish materialistic existence.
Well said and I love Avatar's gem he plucked from the gospels.
Well said and I love Avatar's gem he plucked from the gospels.
COMMUNISM!!!!!!!
Mrs.Lucysnow
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I own too much land to be a communist.
as an atheist hanging out on a discussion thread that deals with religion, your peace will be short lived
Doubtful, however as a theist hanging out in a sub-forum of a science board, your fantasies will be exposed.
Awwww...
If Heaven, in the sense of a physical plane, existed, it would most certainly be malleable and subject to the pressures of our final consciousness at death. Essentially, it would be a mental construct at best, based on our subjective desires and whims - a virtual reality simulation if you will (assuming that we are not reincarnated, which then it would be, depending if you believe life is an illusion).
Doubtful, however as a theist hanging out in a sub-forum of a science board, your fantasies will be exposed.
not if you rely exclusively on confidence statements like these
either way, you are too grumpy to have attained the platform of perfect peace, so it appears that your assertion of having attained heaven (by your own definition) is another confidence statement
not if you rely exclusively on confidence statements like these
either way, you are too grumpy to have attained the platform of perfect peace, so it appears that your assertion of having attained heaven (by your own definition) is another confidence statement
Or perhaps his definition of a peaceful bliss is a place where he can bait and argue with theists telling them all about the IPU in his attic?
But I agree he is far too grumpy to have attained heaven!
I rely on observations, like the exposure of your fantasies, which have yet to be observed.
It's another observation, based on the definition I provided above. You're confused simply because your heaven is another fantasy, unattainable, and has no meaning.
If I appear 'grumpy' to you, it's mainly due to theists fantasies of heaven having direct influence on my heaven.
I was under the impression that unlike being a good boy and saying your prayers, nodding your head and smiling at everything wasnt a requirement for heaven entry.
You've mistaken, once again, the nature of my heaven, as it cannot be fantasized by theists, who fantasize a heaven away from their dreary lives of delusion and worship.
Simple really, give up your god delusions and you'll easily find heaven on earth.