What is the draw to faith?
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monkeys have more emotions than the best computer
seems you on this section of the forum just to tell everyone how flawed they are............. (mankinds compassion at its .........)
physically?............. probably a stubborn old fart who thinks he understands the world...
emotionally and intellectually;....... it's barney time!
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I think it is belief that is maintained, not faith.
Faith naturally kicks-in when faced with the unknown, or, uncertainty.
jan.
Cris,
That's not faith Cris, that is belief through experiance/understanding.
Faith is hoping that while the aeroplane is plummeting through the sky
due to engine failure, you hope somehow you will see your daughters again.
Yor quite right, but that's not faith.
jan.
That's not faith Cris, that is belief through experiance/understanding.
Faith is hoping that while the aeroplane is plummeting through the sky
due to engine failure, you hope somehow you will see your daughters again.
Yor quite right, but that's not faith.
jan.
I think you confuse faith with hope.
Hope is the desire for a future event (as per your example).
Faith is the belief that everything is already in place for that to happen - and this is generally maintained until weight of evidence tips it the other way.
Belief in the existence of something is thus faith.
Belief that an event will produce a certain outcome is hope.
Both are beliefs.
Both of these (faith and hope) should, seemingly, be based on an assessment of previous evidence - whether experiential or otherwise.
The disagreement arises in what this evidence is (rationally) attributed to...
The theist will most likely claim that it provides support for their faith in the existence of God, etc, while the atheist will not - and will see the theist as basing their faith on no rationally attributal evidence.
I.e. it is not the experience they dispute but the interpretation and rational conclusion of that experience that they dispute.
To me there is no draw to a faith in which I can not rationally attribute any evidence.
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SO to summarize;
Hope and Faith can be combined but faith is often based on "unexplainable requisites"..............
does that fit?
Is so, then what are "draw" points as to what they (anyone) find warranted to be faithful to?
What is the draw to faith? What is it that many want?
lucid and intelligent opinions
SO to summarize;
Hope and Faith can be combined but faith is often based on "unexplainable requisites"..............
does that fit?
Is so, then what are "draw" points as to what they (anyone) find warranted to be faithful to?
What is the draw to faith? What is it that many want?
Cris,
if you are truly interested in the next plateau of 'computing' at the hardware level, then look up 'polaritonics'... (a wavelength can be imposed to a structure and recalled from that fixture (crystal), over and over and over again; find how many values a single 'bit' can retain)
then imagine 2 wavelengths combining to make a 'new shade'; can that 'new' be given value for dissimination? (that is nobel style acheivement)
so go do something!
Stability. A confident grounding for decision making in the absence of proof / fact.
The stronger they can make their faith, the more they can be confident in their choices.
Something along those lines, I guess.
Without "hope" there is no "faith".
Faith is the combination of hope, trust, and belief, which is responsible for ones conviction. One does not have to maintain faith, faith will emerge if these elements are serious, and the conditions are beyond ones control.
There is no need to have faith in a chair carrying your weight, unless something like your life is resting on the outcome.
When you ask "What is the draw to faith?", I think you mean what is the draw to belief, or conviction. Faith means nothing, untill it is tested, as one can say "i have faith", but really does not.
jan.
so if that UNDERSTANDING was ground to 'proof/fact' then stability can be equal to all mankind?
would you agree?
so which is better 'proof/fact' or fiction/myth?
what do you base your (faith) decision on when a new born is coming into the world; the bible or the education of a doctor?
it seems naturally, you prefer sound reasoned judgement.
that is what i prefer too (understanding within reality)
i see that 'hope' in your context as the 'draw' that i am seeking from each opinion
so do we trust the collective of mankinds knowledge or the council of a few?
meaning; is what occurred in Nicea the last word, when reality PROVES galileo/darwin were correct and much more has EVOLVED of knowledge since nicea?
i agree...........
as to me, in most religions i find the 'key percept' to be honest and have faith, the truth will come!
i see that as the best faith, any could have; no matter the religion!
just trust, the truth will exist and never lie to follow what others say as true if it ever conflicts with reality.
meaning; until we all can see a person walk on water; don't believe it!
and since there has NeveR been a sin UNDONE......... then never ONCE has the corruption of mankinds works been 'forgiven by god'
some beliefs sell things to have faith in (religious OPINIONS), but that is not the pure faith the written accounts have been purporting
they say, NO FIBBING (false witness) and be prepared for the truth (most every religions' base doctrine ALL basically say this same thing)
i have faith because to me, knowledge is what "sets mankind free"
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and now you know the frame that will replace the binary computing
basically what will make your education obsolete!
so either you get off your butt and realize you best start rethinking what you thought was pure; or be extinct!
pretty basic
sure, i give life
i share to other rocks so they can live forever and know it
perhaps we can coin a new term
'rock-n-roll'
Sarkus,
Event whose outcomes are definately not known.
Faith is that hope with the belief that it can or will happen.
Evidence does not come into it, as their is no evidence to determine whether,
your hope will occur or not.
Sure 90% of the time it may not occur, but there is that 10% chance it will. That is what you are hoping for.
Nonsense.
There is no need to have faith, as belief is already established.
What you are talking about is belief.
Not necessarily. It can be down to experience, understanding, knowledge, or just plain taking a chance. When you introduce hope, you are placing trust in
the conditions to be right for that certain outcome. You understand that it
is outside your control. Faith is just the degree to which you put your hope, and trust, in the belief that all will be well
Previous evidence is irrelevant if faith is required, because nothing is certain, in reality.
"Existence" is neither here nor there, when it comes to faith.
Some people claim to be atheists all there life, then pray when some life, maybe their own, or loved ones, hang in the balance.
The way they see it, they have no alternative, despite medical advancement.
They still may not believe in God after the event, but that doesn't matter.
Lucky you, not everyone has that luxury.
jan.
Event whose outcomes are definately not known.
Faith is that hope with the belief that it can or will happen.
Evidence does not come into it, as their is no evidence to determine whether,
your hope will occur or not.
Sure 90% of the time it may not occur, but there is that 10% chance it will. That is what you are hoping for.
Nonsense.
There is no need to have faith, as belief is already established.
What you are talking about is belief.
Not necessarily. It can be down to experience, understanding, knowledge, or just plain taking a chance. When you introduce hope, you are placing trust in
the conditions to be right for that certain outcome. You understand that it
is outside your control. Faith is just the degree to which you put your hope, and trust, in the belief that all will be well
Previous evidence is irrelevant if faith is required, because nothing is certain, in reality.
"Existence" is neither here nor there, when it comes to faith.
Some people claim to be atheists all there life, then pray when some life, maybe their own, or loved ones, hang in the balance.
The way they see it, they have no alternative, despite medical advancement.
They still may not believe in God after the event, but that doesn't matter.
Lucky you, not everyone has that luxury.
jan.
Apologies - I'm not sure I understand the question, so bear with me if I have misunderstood.
If the grounding was based on proof / fact then there would be no faith - just knowledge, and it would be the same for all people.
The former is reality, the latter only a claim to reality. Clearly the former would make a more stable foundation for decision making as it is (presumably) objective - and thus a foundation that is not able to be undermined.
Any foundation based on fiction/myth is only as strong as the inability of people to adequately test it allow it to be.
Okay. But sound reasoned judgement is only as valid as the truth of the underlying assumptions. Put garbage in and you'll likely get garbage out, even if it is soundly reasoned from the assumptions used.
so basically, if truth was ground down to math/science/evidence and that material knowledge was equal to mother nature and given to every child born;
would peace possibly exist, eventually?
meaning could each have real understanding if the true principles of nature, were in fact defined?
you are a sharp one, and thanks
YES>............... as that is why to return to physics, find that plancks constant is bound to entropy (a macro scale analogy) to the math of physics/chemistry
that 'assumption' has imposed issues to all of physics
exactly!
good post!