Milkweed said:So much for the 'rape culture' meme.
Which rape culture? The real one, or the fallacy you invented in order to help rapists improve their odds by obscuring the issues?
Milkweed said:So much for the 'rape culture' meme.
Which rape culture? The real one, or the fallacy you invented in order to help rapists improve their odds by obscuring the issues?
Throw me in with the undecideds. I’m coming down with a bad case of cognitive dissonance. It’s uncomfortable and that’s why I want to talk about it. So, help me out, will you, milkweed?So much for the 'rape culture' meme.
Individual crimes do not define a culture. What defines a culture is the sum total of everyone's experience - what happens to them, what they read, what they hear, what they see on TV.ol - There is no rape culture, thats why you have to resort to posting individual crimes committed across the globe with no connection to anything but rape itself.
Exactly. That is separate from the culture. But enough of those wrong decisions together - and that MAKES the culture.Football didnt make them do it.
Music didnt make them do it.
Movies didnt make them do it.
Magazine ads didnt make them do it.
Individuals making wrong decisions.
We discussed the numbers earlier. Is the proof in the numbers? Is it 1-6?But if 1 in 6 people there has been hospitalized because of drinking? If "happy hour" or "blowout" or "kegger" or "open bar" is in every flyer plastered to the wall? If people have to plan their nights to avoid drunks? If "who has a car so they can pick up beer" is one of the most common memes there? If hangovers are the rule on Sundays? Then you have a binge drinking culture there.
Milkweed said:You cant find a culture to point to.
To reiterate↑: "I just don't agree with you assigning your opinion to other people in order to criticize them. It's fundamentally dishonest."
Enough with your vapid rape advocacy↑; you don't get to replace other people's words with your own and then try to hold them accountable for your straw man.
No, the proof is not in the numbers; they are just one part of the story.We discussed the numbers earlier. Is the proof in the numbers? Is it 1-6?
Milkweed said:You are such a fake. Its not my strawman, its yours. Thats why you cant do anything but name call. You HAVENT a culture to point to.
Regardless? Regardless of age, or nationality, or type of music?milkweed said:It has to be applied on an individual level across ALL spectrums because it is an individual choice made regardless of age, religion, nationality, political alignment, type of car, type of music, branch of military service.
Decisions didn't make them do it.milkweed said:Football didnt make them do it.
Music didnt make them do it.
Movies didnt make them do it.
Magazine ads didnt make them do it.
Individuals making wrong decisions.
Needless to say, parts I agree with, parts I dont.When you get the time, will you read the whole article and tell me if you agree with it?
How Feminism Creates Rape Culture
The boldfaced portion is another reiteration of your straw man.
My definition of rape culture↑ is on record, and was when you started asserting your own definition↑; you do not get to hold me to your fallacious definition that even you can't help but invalidate with your indictment of men. Just because you don't want to answer your own self-contradiction doesn't mean it isn't on the record; I've pointed to it repeatedly, and even offered you a chance to dig yourself out of that rhetorical pit↑.
You have chosen to dig deeper. That is what it is, but you really need to come up with something better than a flood of dishonesty aiming to obscure and confuse issues about rape culture.
There are people in the US who encourage their dogs to bite, arrange for that tendency to be reinforced and rewarded, etc. There are regions, areas, entire cultures, in which a child is far more likely to be bitten by any given dog - keeping mean dogs, dangerous dogs, unstable dogs, is a cultural characteristic. The dogs of the northern Reds in North America, for example, were accepted hazards - an older child (say, four years and up) mauled by them was at fault for carelessness. That was their culture - it was structured around the prevalence of that kind of dog. Mine isn't. In my culture a dog that mauls a child for no good reason is killed, the child held blameless; the owner of a dog that even credibly threatens to maul innocent and normally behaving children is restricted, requirements imposed on them, legal action threatened.milkweed said:I taught my kid All dogs bite. Its a safety issue. But the reality is, most dogs she encounters will not bite her (she didnt give them reason to). But clearly there are things a kid can do to reduce the chance of being bitten. Most of the time. Then you get those asshole dogs who pack up, or are not trained, or are trained and get loose. Outliers for most peoples dog experience.
Human males have no drive to procreate. They are driven to sex. This drive like all others in humans is culturally mediated, its expression culturally structured. Rape as a culturally normal expression of the sexual drive is not biologically "inherent".milkweed said:My answer? We have to teach them not to rape. The drive to procreate is inherent
So, would it be safe to say that we produce them? Is the United States a factory that produces rapists? What are your odds of becoming a rapist if you grew up here in the states? Does anyone know?Human males have no drive to procreate. They are driven to sex. This drive like all others in humans is culturally mediated, its expression culturally structured. Rape as a culturally normal expression of the sexual drive is not biologically "inherent".
We cry, they respond. Are we damseling? Are we tapping into the female privilege to command help? What if we’re not fighting sexism but instead just using it for propaganda? Are we being hypocrites by demonizing men and their maleness?
And per earlier comments - yes, there is undoubtedly some error in that number. It might be 1 in 8. It might be 1 in 5. In all those cases, though, it will be someone you know. In my life, I know one woman who was raped and two who were sexually assaulted, and in all three cases it changed their lives. And that legacy of changed lives is a big reason why there is a rape culture.
If those are the numbers for sexual assaults (rather than solely rapes) I'd believe it. It jibes with what I've seen in the population in general.Realistically its been estimated to be 1 in 3 but probably closer to 1 in 2. Most go unreported.
Realistically its been estimated to be 1 in 3 but probably closer to 1 in 2. Most go unreported. This means just about every other female you encounter has been at some point at least the victim of some form of sexual violation that includes forced intimate fondling either mild to severe by a male. Usually when younger and powerless. usually an extended family member (like uncle), stepparent, family friend, babysitter, neighbor, clergy etc.