I have stayed away from this thread... yadda yadda
But you can't compare other animals to humans as the brain separates so much.
But you can't compare other animals to humans as the brain separates so much.
What is "Rape Culture"?
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Jackknifing for Gainer
I would also note explicitly something that I think is obvious, but these days and weeks later would seem to merit repeating. Consider Milkweed as an example: While she views rape culture as a "false flag easily recognized by hey wait a minute"↑, and continues to explain, "Most men are not rapists and I dont support portraying them that way i.e. rape culture and I will ridicule attempts made to do so"; yet when the question is put to her directly, what she comes up with is―
―portraying all men as rapists or potential rapists↑.
It really is a cheap attempt of the same trick we get from Secular Sanity, who, by the way, has chosen to ignore this point↑, instead choosing to open this weird bender↑.
But Milkweed's obvious self-contradiction isn't actually my point. As I noted, when discussing apologetics and advocacy↑ with Secular Sanity:
I suppose I should not be surprised to find her doing the same thing. But, you know, for a few days, there, she and I seemed to be getting along.
But this is the thing: It really does seem like the argumentative structure is to lazily throw something on the table, wait for various responses, and then build some manner of thesis from the critique. They're not actually offering any arguable thesis; the point is that everyone else should do the work for them. What is their arguable, affirmative thesis? There isn't one.
So you will do the reading, and devise a reasonable consideration, and offer that up. By pattern, Secular Sanity will pick out what she purports to disagree with, and hold that negative assertion as affirmation of a nonexistent thesis.
And that's the point. This is just an elaborate ruse, badly executed.
Or so it would seem.
Strangely, though, the contrast between the argument against the proposition of rape culture as we encounter it at Sciforums and the (ahem!) "support" that position offers up seems entirely unimportant.
It would seem that as much as some would disdain notions that cast all men as rapists or rape threats↑, much like Infinite Prevention Advocacy, this asserted sociobiology of rape tends toward indicting all men. And while that spectre of indictment is what it is, the overlap between those who resent the indictment and those who would foster it with scanty assertions of sociobiology and evolutionary psychology would seem to be significant.
As long as you or anyone else is willing to do all the heavy lifting, all people like Milkweed or Secular Sanity need to do is sit back, observe the fact that you are human and therefore imperfect, and thus pretend to have and argue a functioning thesis.
Which they haven't.
Honestly, if they put as much effort into genuine thought, study, and argumentation as they do this pretentious and clumsy swindle, they might actually find pathways to progress in comprehending rape among humanity. However, that comprehension would likely disagree with their requisite presupposed conclusions, so it isn't hard to see why they won't.
Bells said:
I would also note explicitly something that I think is obvious, but these days and weeks later would seem to merit repeating. Consider Milkweed as an example: While she views rape culture as a "false flag easily recognized by hey wait a minute"↑, and continues to explain, "Most men are not rapists and I dont support portraying them that way i.e. rape culture and I will ridicule attempts made to do so"; yet when the question is put to her directly, what she comes up with is―
The contributors’ focus is on sexual selection—in the form of observed patterns of sexual coercion in nonhuman primates—and its implications for the evolution of human behavior.
Explains it better (imnsho) than culture. Something we all have in common.
Explains it better (imnsho) than culture. Something we all have in common.
―portraying all men as rapists or potential rapists↑.
It really is a cheap attempt of the same trick we get from Secular Sanity, who, by the way, has chosen to ignore this point↑, instead choosing to open this weird bender↑.
But Milkweed's obvious self-contradiction isn't actually my point. As I noted, when discussing apologetics and advocacy↑ with Secular Sanity:
Bowser, Milkweed, Tali. They can only argue straw men. And that's the point. They just keep offering lazy, roadworn talking points and demanding more information.
I suppose I should not be surprised to find her doing the same thing. But, you know, for a few days, there, she and I seemed to be getting along.
But this is the thing: It really does seem like the argumentative structure is to lazily throw something on the table, wait for various responses, and then build some manner of thesis from the critique. They're not actually offering any arguable thesis; the point is that everyone else should do the work for them. What is their arguable, affirmative thesis? There isn't one.
So you will do the reading, and devise a reasonable consideration, and offer that up. By pattern, Secular Sanity will pick out what she purports to disagree with, and hold that negative assertion as affirmation of a nonexistent thesis.
And that's the point. This is just an elaborate ruse, badly executed.
Or so it would seem.
Strangely, though, the contrast between the argument against the proposition of rape culture as we encounter it at Sciforums and the (ahem!) "support" that position offers up seems entirely unimportant.
It would seem that as much as some would disdain notions that cast all men as rapists or rape threats↑, much like Infinite Prevention Advocacy, this asserted sociobiology of rape tends toward indicting all men. And while that spectre of indictment is what it is, the overlap between those who resent the indictment and those who would foster it with scanty assertions of sociobiology and evolutionary psychology would seem to be significant.
As long as you or anyone else is willing to do all the heavy lifting, all people like Milkweed or Secular Sanity need to do is sit back, observe the fact that you are human and therefore imperfect, and thus pretend to have and argue a functioning thesis.
Which they haven't.
Honestly, if they put as much effort into genuine thought, study, and argumentation as they do this pretentious and clumsy swindle, they might actually find pathways to progress in comprehending rape among humanity. However, that comprehension would likely disagree with their requisite presupposed conclusions, so it isn't hard to see why they won't.
(Correction: Erroneous gender-identity assertion is acknowledged and corrected; sorry, Milkweed; it is my error to have presumed, and apparently I missed your response to Secular Sanity's inquiry↑.)
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Secular Sanity
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Yo, troll.
Did you read the book? Did you read the papers? If not, then STFU.
Did you read the book? Did you read the papers? If not, then STFU.
Tiassa said:
http://www.sciforums.com/threads/hitchhiking.134893/
http://www.sciforums.com/threads/hitchhiking.134893/#post-3075749
http://www.sciforums.com/threads/britains-got-talent-sue-boyle.92290/page-5#post-2249675
Seriously.
No really.
Thats just a beginning to your lack of credibility on this topic.
I did watch your TED video. Interesting stuff on twins/sibling differences in same household.
Secular Sanity
Registered Senior Member
Ah-ha, a female. I thought so.
The book wasn’t Pinker’s, though.
SEXUAL COERCION IN PRIMATES AND HUMANS: An Evolutionary Perspective on Male Aggression against Females. Edited by Martin N. Muller and Richard W. Wrangham. Harvard University Press, 2009.
It was pretty interesting. It’s an evolutionary, comparative method to understanding human behavior. It’s a moderate approach with twenty two of the authors being female. Comparative biology helps us discover similarities and differences in the solutions that other species have evolved for fundamental biological problems. Sociobiology tries to apply this to behavioral traits, as well.
I watched Bill Burr on Netflix the other night. He’s pretty funny. He brought up this joke about domestic violence.
I havent much time before work. Go back and listen to your Stuebenville video and concentrate on what the other people are saying.
Do you hear yourself dude?
Thats rape man.
20 years.
What if that was your sister?
My point is, in that room, beyond the piss-ant doing most of the talking, he was not being supported by his peers.
Secular Sanity said:
First ten mins of the first video of Burr I watched, I thought What a dick. But he is really funny.
Your living the Dream! Any job you can do in your pajamas... LOL. and him and the pit bull LoL.
I can certainly take on Pinker and Harvard if they lump human behavior with other primates for reasons I've already mentioned. Maybe you're just looking for an excuse to fuel your biased?
:EDIT:
Mayne I live in a place in the world where I can be comfortable as there are other disgusting, creepy places where women are looked down upon.
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SuperGurl (sigh)
If the world is a gift that keeps on giving, so be it; but while reality itself can often seem a morbid joke, only humans can specialize as such:
There are some who, in questions of sexual belligerence, would have us ignore the proposition of rape culture and focus on crime prevention, owing in no small part to the suggestion that the decision to rape is independent of anything else.
We have a proximal juxtaposition; Jordus Lim called his failure to review the design before approving it an honest mistake, and in the business world there is plenty to discuss about what constitutes an honest mistake when sloth and apathy are the mistakes.
But what about the design itself? What in the world would make any graphic designer think this was a good idea? Or, more directly, not a terrible one?
If we pretend that this decision occurs in a cultural vacuum, we lie to ourselves and others.
Rather, the design decisions occurred in a context by which this is apparently not a glaringly obviously awful idea. Indeed, this occured in a context by which it is apparently a really good idea because it is expected to help sales.
And when we talk about rape culture as beliefs and behaviors within a societal culture contributing to rape, this is an example of outcomes that fall within that range.
This shouldn't be hard to grasp, although it certainly can be if one's hands are occupied constructing windmills for tilting.
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Notes:
Pittman, Taylor. "Worst Black Friday Ad Ever Tells Customers To 'Rape Us Now'". The Huffington Post. 2 December 2015. HuffingtonPost.com. 2 December 2015. http://huff.to/1XzoNeq
If the world is a gift that keeps on giving, so be it; but while reality itself can often seem a morbid joke, only humans can specialize as such:
A Singapore-based clothing company has received backlash for advertising its Black Friday sale with a disgusting reference to sexual assault.
SuperGurl, a company that sells women's clothes, thought it was a good idea to promote its Black Friday sale on its site with a pink button that said "RAPE US NOW" alongside a young woman in a suggestive pose ....
.... On Nov. 30, SuperGurl apologized on Facebook with a post signed by creative director Jordus Lim. In the post, Lim wrote that he "failed to review [his] Graphic Designer's work before approving the image to be displayed" on the site and called the choice of words "an honest mistake."
(Pittman↱)
SuperGurl, a company that sells women's clothes, thought it was a good idea to promote its Black Friday sale on its site with a pink button that said "RAPE US NOW" alongside a young woman in a suggestive pose ....
.... On Nov. 30, SuperGurl apologized on Facebook with a post signed by creative director Jordus Lim. In the post, Lim wrote that he "failed to review [his] Graphic Designer's work before approving the image to be displayed" on the site and called the choice of words "an honest mistake."
(Pittman↱)
There are some who, in questions of sexual belligerence, would have us ignore the proposition of rape culture and focus on crime prevention, owing in no small part to the suggestion that the decision to rape is independent of anything else.
We have a proximal juxtaposition; Jordus Lim called his failure to review the design before approving it an honest mistake, and in the business world there is plenty to discuss about what constitutes an honest mistake when sloth and apathy are the mistakes.
But what about the design itself? What in the world would make any graphic designer think this was a good idea? Or, more directly, not a terrible one?
If we pretend that this decision occurs in a cultural vacuum, we lie to ourselves and others.
Rather, the design decisions occurred in a context by which this is apparently not a glaringly obviously awful idea. Indeed, this occured in a context by which it is apparently a really good idea because it is expected to help sales.
And when we talk about rape culture as beliefs and behaviors within a societal culture contributing to rape, this is an example of outcomes that fall within that range.
This shouldn't be hard to grasp, although it certainly can be if one's hands are occupied constructing windmills for tilting.
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Notes:
Pittman, Taylor. "Worst Black Friday Ad Ever Tells Customers To 'Rape Us Now'". The Huffington Post. 2 December 2015. HuffingtonPost.com. 2 December 2015. http://huff.to/1XzoNeq
Secular Sanity
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Wow, that's brilliant!
Hmm...I wonder why they didn't think of that.
You go girl!
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Secular Sanity
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There was only a tiny bit of discouragement. Not enough to be proud of.
Uh. I'm trying to understand what you think of.
Overall in the animal kingdom, rape is not the norm. Males would solicit or try to impress and female either accept/reject. Even promiscuity is not always the case. Some animals mate with one other for life or singly. That would depend on there social structure and nature I suppose.
Shut up.
Grow up.
No.
All animals don't rape and if a human does not rape is not some indication that their 'brain that separates so much' is the cause of control. It may just as well be the cause of rape in some cases. After all, exercising even out-of-bounds or predatory behavior just entails risk/reward assessment.
I would like to believe that men do not all want to dominate women.
Some do, some don't. Some women want to dominate men; some don't. It's how they actually _act_ that matters.
