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It is not a helicopter with jet engines, it is an example of centrifugal force.
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It is not a helicopter with jet engines, it is an example of centrifugal force.
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Not so:
I want to create thrust.
Using air.
I want to invent a space propellant.
With centrifugal force, I remove the opposite reaction.
[video=youtube;XnSZ93ervoo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnSZ93ervoo&hd=1[/video]
I want to create thrust.
Using air.
I want to invent a space propellant.
With centrifugal force, I remove the opposite reaction.
[video=youtube;XnSZ93ervoo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnSZ93ervoo&hd=1[/video]
The problem is, I don't see how the centrifugal force will remove the opposite reaction. All it would do would be to... well, spin that reaction, but it would still be there.
Victor, you have to understand - the whole "action/reaction" thing... it's a law of physics. It's a proven law, it HAS to happen. There's really no way to avoid it, short of somehow creating a gravitational wave front in front of your ship and using that to drag yourself across the galaxy... but as far as I know, there is no way to do that (if it's even a possible thing at all, which i doubt it is)
Victor, you have to understand - the whole "action/reaction" thing... it's a law of physics. It's a proven law, it HAS to happen. There's really no way to avoid it, short of somehow creating a gravitational wave front in front of your ship and using that to drag yourself across the galaxy... but as far as I know, there is no way to do that (if it's even a possible thing at all, which i doubt it is)
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There are two (2) forces, one will be higher than the other.
1.-) The Centrifugal force.
2.-) The opposite reaction force.
Which force will win?
It is not known.
[video=youtube;-4W2hdy6vlA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4W2hdy6vlA&hd=1[/video]
I want to create thrust.
Using air.
I want to invent a space propellant:
With centrifugal force, I remove the opposite reaction.
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Okay, so from what I can gather:
Inside each cylinder, the turbines spin creating thrust against the air within the cylinder. Near as I can tell, you want to use the centrifugal force to negate the reaction of that air hitting the back of the cylinder in order to keep that air contained within the system.
The problem is, the centrifugal force wouldn't counteract that force. All it would do is make the air inside the cylinder corkscrew before impacting the rear wall.
Part of the issue is, and someone else please correct me if I'm wrong - I'm not entirely sure you can use centrifugal force on "air" per say... that is, I don't think there is enough cohesion in the air mass to start the air rotating, nor would there be enough mass to the air itself for the kinetic energy to start it spiraling outward against the cylinder walls.
Victor, think of it this way - go and sit in your car in your driveway or a flat parking lot. Close the door and take off the parking brake. Now, try to push the car from within the car, without sticking any part of your body out of the car.
Inside each cylinder, the turbines spin creating thrust against the air within the cylinder. Near as I can tell, you want to use the centrifugal force to negate the reaction of that air hitting the back of the cylinder in order to keep that air contained within the system.
The problem is, the centrifugal force wouldn't counteract that force. All it would do is make the air inside the cylinder corkscrew before impacting the rear wall.
Part of the issue is, and someone else please correct me if I'm wrong - I'm not entirely sure you can use centrifugal force on "air" per say... that is, I don't think there is enough cohesion in the air mass to start the air rotating, nor would there be enough mass to the air itself for the kinetic energy to start it spiraling outward against the cylinder walls.
Victor, think of it this way - go and sit in your car in your driveway or a flat parking lot. Close the door and take off the parking brake. Now, try to push the car from within the car, without sticking any part of your body out of the car.
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The cylinder has to be large enough so that the air not brake.
For that win the centrifugal force, should use a turbine with a minor force opposite reaction that the centrifugal force.
For example: we use blades that generate breeze, the centrifugal force is greater than the opposite force of reaction of a propeller of airplane. The breeze, thrust.
[video=youtube;-4W2hdy6vlA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4W2hdy6vlA&hd=1[/video]
Except it won't cancel the reaction force - as I said, there is nothing there to turn away that reactionary force. You could spin that cylinder till the cows come home and it won't act any different than it would were it stationary (except for incredible vibration, but meh)
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You know that the centrifugal force removes weight. With a nylon turning.
It also eliminates force opposite of reaction.
How do you figure? Centrifugal force is a simple thing - an object in motion carries inertia, which is its momentum (or kinetic energy) in a straight line, continuing upon its current trajectory unless acted upon by an outside force. Centrifugal Force is the push towards the outside of the circle an object in a circular motion experiences - this is because the object WANTS to continue along a straight line tangent to the circular movement, but cannot as something is preventing it (gravity, a tether, etc).
It doesn't negate any force or reaction, it is simply being directed another way. However, this entails the object that this inertial force is acting upon being tethered, to prevent it continuing in a straight line. What you are suggesting is to use the rotary cylinder to cause a centrifugal force - while this would work on an object inside the cylinder (and would result in said object being pressed tight against the wall of the cylinder) this won't have any effect on the reactive force of a propeller that is mounted inside.
The nylon with a weight, the weight goes straight out. That's not lift. There is nowhere else for the weight to go, then you also have updraughts, and with something like the Frisbee its shape creates its uplift.
A nylon turning... do you mean a Frisbee? I'm not familiar with the idea of a nylon turning sorry
He posted a picture of it many times.
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A nylon turning... do you mean a Frisbee? I'm not familiar with the idea of a nylon turning sorry
I mean this nylon turning:
The Centrifugal force removes the weight. With the nylon by turning.
The centrifugal force removes weight and also eliminates the opposite reaction force.
This is the basis of the Dean Drive. It failed.
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I'm not using springs.
Springs were not an important part of his design. The basis of his design was using centrifugal force to allow an action without a reaction. He used two spinning weights that were moved up at their "maximum force" point and down when centrifugal force "balanced out" the action. Thus the device (he claimed) would move in the direction of the "maximum force" motion.
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victorespinoza
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It is very different, I'm using air to propel forward.
Mass is mass.
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I mean this nylon turning:
The Centrifugal force removes the weight. With the nylon by turning.
The centrifugal force removes weight and also eliminates the opposite reaction force.
OH, okay - sorry, not really sure where that is a nylon (I'm guessing a nylon weight?) but yeah - as billvon said, it wouldn't work.
The reason is simple enough - the centrifugal force doesn't "negate" the weight of the object - it is simply being held at its furthest possible point on the tether, which happens in this case to be suspended in the air, giving the illusion of negating the force of gravity. However, if you were to do this same experiment with the ball on the ground, you would notice it does not raise up at all - it will only ever reach a point where the string tethering it is on the same plane as the tangent of the objects circular path, IE, the direction the object would fly off in should the tether be cut.
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