UFOs Warning about Tsunami?

[duendy]

(Q)...continuing..i tried to get up the latter part of your post in quote but it didn't turn up...?

it is very revealing in that it emphasizes what i see is the main impasse between some science-orinted people and those that claim deep experience as being authentic

where you say that UNTIL what Chalmers implies or theorizes about it is NOt proven. th scientific method huh?

right. returning to faith again. i gave a definition have always liked which i first read by Alan Watts, where he says that faith is a letting go, as like when surfing on the surf.....the sea is all wobbly as is board and the 'faith' is t let your bodymind accomadate to this less steady way of movement
so, likewise with the innder feeling of reality. you cant apporach it from a more stiff logical mode no matter how anlytical...it is different...Chaotic SOURCe of creativity

but you wouldn't maybe want to let go, but analyze it. all very ell, but them you are missing the ACTION

remember i am talking about Direct experience here. not necessarily nelieving in a 'God' as explained in abook full of words

what Chalmers is basically saying is that subectivity has not been part of scientific criteria for knowing reality. this is cause it was left out right at its emergence. Quality was left to the church...and when they dripped church and 'god' is when it went hard core mechanistic

 

[(Q)]

it is very revealing in that it emphasizes what i see is the main impasse between some science-orinted people and those that claim deep experience as being authentic

One is apt to have a view based on what they want or assume the world to be. At times it very well may be authentic, but usually it is whatever they might conjure.

Alan Watts held a masters degree in Theology.

A master of fairy tales?

 

[Avatar]

HAHAHA!! I know theologs, they have their faculty in the same building as I do.
Funny people. Ok, so it's cool - they study aramic and ancient hebrew, but I have tears in my eyes, when by some accident one of their papers travels around our campus. A definite laugh breaker.
Especially when it's labeled "scientific analysis on the origin of miracles".

 

[duendy]

it is very revealing in that it emphasizes what i see is the main impasse between some science-orinted people and those that claim deep experience as being authentic

One is apt to have a view based on what they want or assume the world to be. At times it very well may be authentic, but usually it is whatever they might conjure.

Alan Watts held a masters degree in Theology.

A master of fairy tales?

You see (Q), you are underestimating. you aren't listening to what is being communicated. What he was saying was not faith is some theological 'God' but in letting your BODY relax into an unstable environment

of course he was implying bodymind as they are a continuum.

i wonder. do you dance? could you just dance spontaneously?...i am guessing you wouldn't go there. am i right?

i guess you wouldn't see any pupose to it. no use in it. am i right in my character judgment. or am i wrong like yer wrong about your 2 dimensional view of Watts?

 

[SkinWalker]

What he was saying was not faith is some theological 'God' but in letting your BODY relax into an unstable environment

It sounds like a cross between New Age and Post-Modernist doublespeak. In fact, much of the modern "philosophers" seem to fit that mold these days, perhaps they are upset at all the real thinking and questioning having been done by those before them (Pythagoras, Plato, Nietzsche, Bacon, Voltaire, Popper, et al).

Chalmers seems to lean heavy on "phenomenology," the philosophy that puts experience above conceptualizations about it and seems to suggest to me that since all existance is just "experience," there really isn't anything that can be proven and therefore everything is equally subjective or relative.

While this might be logically sound to those that have difficulty wrapping their brains around science and scientific principles, it really doesn't hold water since it implies, "why bother with exploration?" since truths cannot be established, held or validated.

of course he was implying bodymind as they are a continuum.

Of course. Since the mind is comprised of thought, which is comprised of neural activity, which is the result of various axions producing various chemicals as the result of channels like sodium and calcium opening and shutting at a cellular level, all of which is a material action within the body. That is, if I remember my biology correctly.

edit: But what has all this really to do with UFOs warning of the tsunami again?

 

[(Q)]

of course he was implying bodymind as they are a continuum.

Intellectual claptrap.

i wonder. do you dance? could you just dance spontaneously?...i am guessing you wouldn't go there. am i right?

Heads in jars don't dance - no legs.

But what has all this really to do with UFOs warning of the tsunami again?

Good point. I'm done being off topic.

 

[duendy]

what has all this to do with my original thread title starter?

well, everything, when i meet impassem and religious fundys like what you seem to be

you will just not accept that you are fundamentalists just like the bible kind. listen to your selves. you are all chemicals and test tubes, and woowoos, like thay are all angels and demons

I simply trry to explain the bodymind involvement needed for balance in an unstable environemtn and your reaction is like i have spit in the eye of your fave god!
so i ask (Q) if he dances, and i dont get a straight answer (surprise surprise), and get the tired alien in a jar routine

Analyze dancing why dont you. Jeeez, if you lot had your way you would see fit noone bothered even doing it as there is no point to it right?

answer...and dont act the fool. what is the point of dancing?

oh, god is he gonna mention chemicals again?

 

[Star_One]

I didn't see anywhere in that article that said what type of ufos were seen, of course if it were just strange colours/light that was reported then that could be put down to the earthquake.

But if what was sighted was actual objects, then it is a entirely diffrent matter!

 

[duendy]

I didn't see anywhere in that article that said what type of ufos were seen, of course if it were just strange colours/light that was reported then that could be put down to the earthquake.

But if what was sighted was actual objects, then it is a entirely diffrent matter!

what about sphere shapes that circle a plane and fly with it in a playful way--as reported by this air pilot

or a formation of bright lights ina shape-formation of a v-shape

do 'earth lights' do those antics. i am curious?

 

[Star_One]

what about sphere shapes that circle a plane and fly with it in a playful way--as reported by this air pilot

or a formation of bright lights ina shape-formation of a v-shape

do 'earth lights' do those antics. i am curious?

I couldn't see anything like what you described, mentioned in the article.

 

[duendy]

I couldn't see anything like what you described, mentioned in the article.

i know, it's my fault. as soon as i posted it i realized i sould have added what i mean and was going to quickly follow up

ok, i am not referring to the Tsunami report. as far as i am aware there is little about it, but later i will do another search and see if there's anything else about that story

what i meant was, that ..you know when people claim 'earth light's are what is 'really' being seen when UFOs are seen?

well what about a pattern of hovering lights that form a V formation for ages in the sky--which i have seen on film

and also a reported case by an airline pilot--noted for good eyesight and skill of knowing air phenomena....where he reported sphere-shaped objects circling planne, and flying with it in a playful way, then really tak off at incredible speeds? do earth lights do that also?

 

[Star_One]

When i said about "strange colours and lights" i was thinking of events like the auora etc....(it was my fault too)

But other than that, i think most events where lights are involved in formation or
cleary acting with purpose can be put into the credible ufo sighting box.

 

[SkinWalker]

Anecdotal accounts.... bleh. Where are the photographs that these pilots took? Who are these pilots, exactly? Why are pilots not subject to the same human failings that other professions seem to have (they've been accused of everything from getting drunk & high to sleeping on the job... I'm assuming they're as human as the rest of us)? Why accept the word of a pilot, who is good at the technical responsibilities of flying, but may only know what he needs to about other aspects of physics?

And this thread isn't about the "V formation for ages in the sky," its about the alleged warnings of UFOs prior to the tsunami.

I still haven't seen anyone indicate that the "UFO sightings" were anything beyond the expected phenomena associated with tectonic movements as well documented with other tectonic events.

 

[Star_One]

"I still haven't seen anyone indicate that the "UFO sightings" were anything beyond the expected phenomena associated with tectonic movements as well documented with other tectonic events."

That would be because there are no details about these specific sightings, so why are you so sure of what was seen?

 

[Ophiolite]

You don't get such phenomena so far from the suture. Not even for a magnitude 9. Discard that connection completely.

 

[SkinWalker]

Indeed. The only reason I hadn't discarded it already is that I didn't know the locations of the faults versus the alleged sightings. It could simply be that people in the region are engaging in magical thinking, attempting to apply causes to effects. Much the same way a baseball pitcher will wear the same shirt or eat the same meal during a streak, or the way indigenous peoples in Indonesia have done for centuries after experiencing natural catastrophies.