You claim to have logical dreams. I'm sceptical of this, but since we have no way of objectively observing anothers subjective experience I can't out right say that you don't.
Actually, I am under the impression that this is common. As admitted, yes.. I do have strange, illogically formatted dreams as well, but consider it quite normal to have logically formatted dreams.
My counterpoint to this would be that her experience closely matches other peoples NDEs even though they weren't anaesthesized, are we to assume they we're relaxed as well? Are we then to assume that anytime anyone is in "trauma or near death" they are in a relaxed state? That hardly seems likely to me.
On the surface it wouldn't seem likely that the victim of a horrendous accident would be in a 'relaxed state' but it's worth perhaps looking deeper. Some guy barely conscious, a lot of blood lost - a dropped temperature. Ultimately I would consider that as 'relaxed' as one can get. Funnily enough people in such a position are generally encouraged to 'not go to sleep' etc because they'll most likely die. The unrelaxed people, (those screaming/aware of their surroundings etc), are usually the ones that survive.
Which doesn't mesh well with the "relaxed state/logical dream" hypothesis.
I meant after the experience, not during it.
one argument against is NDEs is that they are an epiphenomenon of the brain being starved of oxygen. If that is the case we would expect them to happen to sceptics and believers equally. And if that is the case we would expect reports from sceptics that have had these experiences, critically analyze them, find them flawed, and proclaim them bullshit after having themselves had the experience.
Who does that? Even the most skeptical of people still shit themselves when in a 'haunted house' and will often yell "ghost" even when they know it's bullshit. If such a thing happened to me I might possibly yell the same thing. Looking back at the event I can then deduce that it was my mind playing tricks etc. I am at that stage quite unlikely to phone the papers about it. "Is this the Daily Mirror? Yeah hi, I thought I saw a ghost last month but now I think about it it was bullshit".
This doesn't seem to happen though, people seem to regard the experience as authentic after having it, and if it is biological that means sceptics are just as likely to have it.
Using how many cases out of how many cases? I do know that if I ever have an nde and retain my sense of reasoning then I wouldn't consider it some vision of a future life or whatever. I also wouldn't phone the newspapers just to tell them all nde's are bullshit. Who would?
You seem to be saying as a rule of thumb the patient will not see the operating tools though, right?
Typically the tools will be covered, yes. Dentists however never do that.. bastards
So she was on the anaesthetic, with her ears plugged, having a "logical dream" and she heard the nurses make this comment about her veins even though she shouldn't be conscious at all because she was technically dead with all the blood drained from her brain?
Just to remain accurate: At the time the nurse made the comment she was alive and no blood had been drained - because, as the nurse said, her veins were a problem.
Secondly, (from the wiki page): Ear plugs do not block all external sounds. People with ear plugs may still be able to hear sounds in their environment.
The third part is the anaesthetic. To suggest that the anaesthetic wasn't functioning perfectly is certainly a more logical step than to suggest some ghostly part of her was clinging to the ceiling.
She had seen the drill before the operation even though thats not standard procedure
You seem to regard that as entirely illogical while what.. advocating that a ghostly part of her was floating round the room?
There are a couple of reason of which that is the most pertinent - of course you could also look at old memory resurfacing because of knowledge about the procedure. It is standard for doctors to explain big procedures to the patient before they undergo them. It will entail something like: "first we use a [insert tool name here] to open up a piece of the skull....". This woman would therefore most likely be aware of what procedures would happen and when and the tools used to carry them out.
she then forgot she saw the drill and during her "logical dream" due to her "relaxed state" caused by the anaethesia she saw the drill even though she's not supposed to be experiencing any thing at all because she is tecnically dead and has had the blood drained from her brain.
You would need to establish that the dream occurred during death.
The doctor hid the fact that she had seen the drill and put his professional reputation on the line by writing a book claiming she saw the drill while she was dead instead of just pointing out to her she had seen the drill before the operation.
I wouldn't say "hid" as much as not aware of it. When you conduct procedures day in day out you're unlikely to remember such trivial details - especially when working under the premise that the patient wont remember anything.
And that's the rational explanation of "what really happened"?
Well to be honest I'd prefer to look at these possibilities before asserting that the womans ghost was clinging to the ceiling and then went off to have lunch with uncle Bob who's also dead but now lives in the clouds.