I found Sandy's worldview extremely horrifying and I told her so, but we still had nice chats through PM. I'm sure she's a nice person in real life. One of my best friends growing up was politically conservative and religious. We would have long debates about what I felt was a wrong ideology, and we are still friends.
yes effcorse, i'm sure everyone one here is a nice person, but what gives us the idea is the thoghts in certin things, anyway, as to me to be a muslim ,and she hates muslims so much, i'm defferently affraid of her, who knows what such girl do!
This is one problem with Islam, they think there are real consequences for thinking thoughts, for having doubts. They think it can result in eternal torture by the hand of an almighty God.
doubt? yes everyone can have doubt, doubt, is what pushes him to know more and want to know, the doubt that is not allowed in islam, is to doubt with people intill you make wrong things based on your doubts.
and i did have a doubt about a few things in islam, but now , by some search in science, and some search in relegion, and some between. and i got all clear, things that i was doubtign about in past, when i still don't know that much in science. infact, the more a person get knoledge, the more he get impressed by the quran, because, nothing is against science in it(a muslim point of view)
Or the reward of eternal pleasure in paradise. In the face of this irrational fear, there can be no personal freedom. When this ideology is applied to political systems, there can be no freedom for the people. Because religions make people act badly, I think it's my responsibility to influence people to give it up. It's not just for my own ego, it's for the well being of the planet. Religion is the enemy of reason and freedom.
ok, first of all, islam say nothing, about the kind of the rule that should be applied on the country, and say nothing about how politics should be, also, you're right that relegion can't be mixed with politics, but it can be their some groups(anti fanatism effcorse) that teaches children, and all people islam, but the relegion and poltics, is a bad idea, in tunisia, and some other arab countries, relegion is on it's side, and politics is on it's side, here in tunisia, the politics is one thing, and the relegion is another thing.
and again, as i said, you should respect other's beleifs, the part of heaven and hell. at least better than beleiving that when we die it's done, i mean, for poor people, and people who have nothing, they will still have hope for that paradise or the heaven, and they wan't loose hope, and keep living, and work hard and do the good trying to win that trip, anywya, i don't have to explain it, it's a beleif. and i do beleive in it (you don't have a problem with that right?)
Some things need to be mocked; dictatorship, censorship, fascism, sexism, fundamentalism... Sarah Palin. I do accept the diversity of beliefs and cultures in general, but when does a culture produce something that one cannot ignore? Some things are just immoral, like genital mutilation, punishment for being raped, preventing women from learning, preventing the free expression of ideas, preventing the sexual activities of consenting adults, using religion as a political system, cannibalism. If cannibalism were a religious practice, would you still demand that I respect it?
wait wait wait, stopping women from learning? islam don't say anything about that, and islam don't say that women shouldn't work, it says that a women shouldnt stay with a man alone in an empty place, should wear respectfull clothes, and she CAN devorce if her husband is bad with her, and she can't be forced to marry, and she's not ordored to cover her face, do you know that the prophet mohamed met he's wife in he's work, he was a merchant, and he's wife too, or you can call it today a buisness woman. and that's not what islam says, it's a maden laws by people in some places in middle east, and not in islam, show me what prooves that you claim to be in quran.
also in( all muslim ) and all arab countries, women do work, do study, do do do do...and tunisia as an example, half the schools are women
cannibalism??? wtf!!! where did you get that idea??
yes no sex for who's not married, what's the problem with that? in usa there's a new phenoman called adultury kids, kids with no fother, because of street sex, and it's a big number, besides the other deaseases caming from sex, anyway, do you have a problem with no sex for no married? using relegion as a politcial cover? it's not what relegion tells, relegion don't say anything about politics or how the ruling should be..
i see you talking about a relegion, with informations based on media, and not facts, i see you don't even know anything about islam, go read about it, educate your self about it,then discusse it, you can't discuss what you don't know.
The Quran also says that it acknowledges the divine origin of the Bible, and yet the Bible contains assumptions that contradict scientific facts. The so-called scientific facts in the Quran are also not supportable. We had a formal debate here on the subject, and my opponent could not show that the Quran contained one scientific fact that could not have been known at the time.
the bible is divine from god, but changed by humans to work with their needs..
i can hear the truth, but i can't hear you saying wrong things about my relegion, and i have no reason to lie about it.
and yes in the quran there are things that they can't know in that time.
want to debat about it?
I believe that religion is like a virus, a meme. It evolved on the substrate of human thought, and lives off of us, sucking our full potential away. Gullibility is also an evolved trait. Young children have to believe what their parents say, otherwise they would fall off a cliff, or get eaten by a crocodile. The human brain is an example of neoteny. In order to increase it's size, we need to grow closer to the proportions of a child with their large heads and smaller bodies. I maintain that the same process of neoteny preserved the childlike tendency to believe things on faith, especially if they are given by authority figures. So you see, evolution even explains religion.
you beleive, but not it is.
